2025/26 David Moyes

Ring master said:
Not sure anyone understands the word rare :lol: I know they and the odd other one have won. But it's almost like a one off type thing in over a decade. I don't include euro comps
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85 out of 102 domestic trophies have been/are going to be won by Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Utd and City in the Premier League era. People tend to point at the outliers as evidence that trophies are very winnable, but the barriers are obvious. I'm not sure it is possible for a club that doesn't have those benefits of money, sponsorship, PSR, media backing, referees decisions etc to become regular trophy winners just by demanding success.

There are opportunities though, see Palace in Europe currently. All we can do is be the best we can be.
 
b-rad said:
I think I might stop this conversation as I get tired of explaining how two seemingly conflicting ideas and thoughts can actually both be true at the same time.

1. yes, I think we have largely stagnated this season. There have been signs of progress under Moyes, and he has brought some stability, but not enough to be satisfied overall. General stability, signs of progress, but largely stagnant. They can all be true at once. None are absolutes.

2. no, this is where you are struggling to read more than a few words at a time again. It's also why you are getting confused and why I am getting frustrated.
Here's what I said..."it's inane to judge expectations for a single season where the club has been constantly bottom half and worrying about relegation as being the same as where the club had been consistently top half".
To simplify that a little. Expectations after consistently being bottom half for years are not the same as expectations after consistently being in the top half for years. It's inane to judge them as being the same.

3. yes. As explained. Ad nauseum.

It must be interesting going through life only able to see things in binary. Phenomenal or dire. Unable to see the good in a bad situation, and unable to see the negatives in something which is largely positive. It's an interesting stance to take, but not sure it's one I can understand.
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I accept your apology.
 
Lanolin said:
He's so far past being the old Mourinho now it's not even funny. This unbeaten season is going to end up without him actually winning anything, same as most seasons for about the last 15 years since he was one of the very best. He might do alright at Madrid because of the way they run the club, but he'd be an awful fit here.
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I still think this version of Mourinho would be better than Moyes.

He’s always had defensively solid teams, knows the prem, and is good enough to ensure we wouldn’t be dragged into a relegation scrap. What exactly could go wrong?

Young players not get developed? They’re not being developed anyway.

Fall out with owners? What has years of board and manager harmony delivered to our trophy cabinet of late?

Say a few incendiary things in a press conference? Our club’s reputation is in the toilet anyway due to 30 years of not winning anything.


I think the positives of what he could provide in terms of a mentality change, attraction for new signings, ability to go deep in cups, ability to win one off big games, would move us forward much more than another few seasons of Moyes losing every derby, losing away at most top grounds, going out the cups early and talking about how great Liverpool and United are and why it’s too early for Everton to achieve anything any chance he gets.

I’m not saying Mourinho is my first choice, I just think it’s a bit rich that some Everton fans scoff at the suggestion whilst we’re on our longest trophy drought in our history and can barely win a derby fixture.
 
Smurph said:
Can we afford to do much more than Rohl and Grealish?

In the last accounts we spent over 200 milion on wages and transfer fees. We need the new stadium to add 50 or 60 million quid just to meet the 85% squad cost rules don't we? Unless I've missed something.

Think we still need a big sale and high earners off the books to fund much more. I expected us to sell Branthwaite, but maybe not anymore. If we can get big money for N'diaye or Garner I reckon we'll go for it, just to fund some full backs.

Having to hit a 70% target with a Conferance League qualification feels like it would be more damaging than beneficial.

My expectations are low because of our financial situation rather than manager. I think we need Moyes for a couple of more years. The margins between mid table and relegation are razor thin too.

That was all depressing to write down.
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Yes you’re missing something, we spent 130 last year with no sales. I Think from our last accounts for 23/24 our wage bill was around 85% so that should have dropped and with the increased revenue it shouldn’t be an issue and the talk is we will spend more than last summer .

Players will go IE Patterson, maybe Myko maybe Tim, Alcaraz, McNeil and I’d still sell both strikers. So we can bring in a few quid as well . You can over the 85% Kieran Maguire mentioned it on a podcast, not sure how it’s calculated though
 
Saint Domingo said:
I still think this version of Mourinho would be better than Moyes.

He’s always had defensively solid teams, knows the prem, and is good enough to ensure we wouldn’t be dragged into a relegation scrap. What exactly could go wrong?

Young players not get developed? They’re not being developed anyway.

Fall out with owners? What has years of board and manager harmony delivered to our trophy cabinet of late?

Say a few incendiary things in a press conference? Our club’s reputation is in the toilet anyway due to 30 years of not winning anything.


I think the positives of what he could provide in terms of a mentality change, attraction for new signings, ability to go deep in cups, ability to win one off big games, would move us forward much more than another few seasons of Moyes losing every derby, losing away at most top grounds, going out the cups early and talking about how great Liverpool and United are and why it’s too early for Everton to achieve anything any chance he gets.

I’m not saying Mourinho is my first choice, I just think it’s a bit rich that some Everton fans scoff at the suggestion whilst we’re on our longest trophy drought in our history and can barely win a derby fixture.
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He got booted from Roma didn't he, so can't see the owners wanting to deal with him again.
 
Blue Smoke said:
Hes got us exactly where I expected us to be..free from relegation scrap, mid-high up table with outside shot of Europe. No more, no less..
And, I have enjoyed it for one season, to be able to breath and not spend time looking in 2000 page relegation thread.
However, the future beckons and I'm not confident of where he can take us. I dont trust his recruitment after last summer, and I think he lacks the tactics needed for forward play.
Im also well aware of what can happen when you get what you wish for and see west ham skirting with relegation after several failed flavour of the month managers.
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I think this is spot on. He has definitely stabilised us since he came back, but I don’t trust him in the transfer market. I don’t like his stubbornness regarding substitutions when we can all see players who are goosed after 70 mins. The multitude of players on the bench who have very little minutes when he persists with other ‘experienced’ players who have done very little to merit consistent starting places

It’s a pivotal summer imo. Do we stick with a manager who has a ceiling of mid-table mediocrity, who emphasises conservative defence over attack football, who will more than likely keep us out of the bottom three, or do we roll the dice and get in a manager who is progressively minded, who emphasises attacking play, who recruits fast, progressive players but leaves us more open at the back?

I’m for the latter option. Why not give it a go for a change?

I can see both sides of the the argument, and it might be a big gamble, but you never know, gambles sometimes pay off.
 
Saint Domingo said:
I still think this version of Mourinho would be better than Moyes.

He’s always had defensively solid teams, knows the prem, and is good enough to ensure we wouldn’t be dragged into a relegation scrap. What exactly could go wrong?

Young players not get developed? They’re not being developed anyway.

Fall out with owners? What has years of board and manager harmony delivered to our trophy cabinet of late?

Say a few incendiary things in a press conference? Our club’s reputation is in the toilet anyway due to 30 years of not winning anything.


I think the positives of what he could provide in terms of a mentality change, attraction for new signings, ability to go deep in cups, ability to win one off big games, would move us forward much more than another few seasons of Moyes losing every derby, losing away at most top grounds, going out the cups early and talking about how great Liverpool and United are and why it’s too early for Everton to achieve anything any chance he gets.

I’m not saying Mourinho is my first choice, I just think it’s a bit rich that some Everton fans scoff at the suggestion whilst we’re on our longest trophy drought in our history and can barely win a derby fixture.
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Moyes or Benitez?
 
blueboy72 said:
You were saying the same about dyche Matty. You wanted him to get a new deal. Your bar is set so low.
Why no talks of a new deal for Moyes ??? Answer that one. Maybe because they’re waiting to see where we finish. We finish bottom half and him playing McNeil every game who was Nearly out the door in January and ignoring 70/80mil worth of signings and a loan signing bar 10 minutes here, 20 minutes there. I think will look really bad on Moyes, add in he wasn’t the man TFG wanted.

And it’s obvious the committee and Moyes aren’t aligned, couldn’t agree on full backs in January. Will they want another window of Moyes saying no to their players and going for older ones from the prem for a high premium, which is not a good strategy for Everton. Links to Ben white, Ake, Soucek, McGinn, probably Stones, Bowen and Harry Wilson will also be on his list
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go and vault me that i wanted dyche to sign a new deal go on?

and i was right about dyche wasn’t i?

until the new owners came in we was not
going anywhere

“links” there’s tons tons for every club

let’s see what summer brings he’s here another year jack is signing,

JB stays and ndyie stays and garner

why? they’ve all said they when to play

for moyes
 
It might not be the right thing for Everton to do at the moment, but I want Ancelotti back.

It's such a big statement of intent and he is still arguably one of the best managers in the world.

With the new stadium and a bit of cash, he could attract us players even without Europe.

And let's all be honest, wasn't it great saying our manager was Carlo Ancelotti?
 

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