2025/26 David Moyes

[Hinchcliffe's Corner]

Yep

They clearly prioritised the league so I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a top half finish in the league.

It's one of the main points why I would probably lean towards moving on from Moyes. His Derby record is terrible. But his record in cup competitions is a much bigger concern for me because there's been lots of very avoidable losses to poor teams over the years.

This is important to acknowledge I think. It would be a failure to not finish top half or even a European placing, even if there's only a point in it, that's the KPI they've set themselves.

Also using the acronym KPI in football feels dirty to me, but here we are.

 

[davek]

less than 16 months back at the club and he hands us 3 derby losses.

An utter punchbag of a manager.

 

[ToffeeTim]

You want to know why? Really?

Because Dyche is a limited manager who had limited players and set them out to plays the same brand of boring defensive football every single game. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn’t, and it gets you more than a point per game and keeps you in the league.

So he had three derbies against better Liverpool teams than this one, played the same boring way in all three, got battered in one, got robbed by a bent ref in the other, and then won another one.

What’s the point in getting angry. He had much worse players than Liverpool, he was a much worse manager than Klopp, he was always going to be a short term band aid, and no one could accuse him of treating them any differently because he played the exact same way against them as he did against everyone else. Oh and he also actually won one, which does help a bit.


Moyes is a much better manager than Dyche, has better players, is up against a far worse manager in Slot, who has a much worse Liverpool team. Yet despite all of this we don’t play anything like we play against other teams when we play Liverpool. If we just played to our normal level every time we played them we’d probably have more mixed results but Moyes manages these games completely differently and we get fearful performances way below our level. The fact this has happened for the best part of 13 years under him also adds to the frustration.

I’m more angry with Moyes because he can do better and fails almost every time. Dyche just blundered in for 3 games and even his brand of rubbish football was enough to win one of them

Only 1 player is currently starting for us who wasn't available for Dyche.

That's a recruitment issue more than anything, but it still is worth remembering.

 

[Hinchcliffe's Corner]

You want to know why? Really?

Because Dyche is a limited manager who had limited players and set them out to plays the same brand of boring defensive football every single game. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn’t, and it gets you more than a point per game and keeps you in the league.

So he had three derbies against better Liverpool teams than this one, played the same boring way in all three, got battered in one, got robbed by a bent ref in the other, and then won another one.

What’s the point in getting angry. He had much worse players than Liverpool, he was a much worse manager than Klopp, he was always going to be a short term band aid, and no one could accuse him of treating them any differently because he played the exact same way against them as he did against everyone else. Oh and he also actually won one, which does help a bit.


Moyes is a much better manager than Dyche, has better players, is up against a far worse manager in Slot, who has a much worse Liverpool team. Yet despite all of this we don’t play anything like we play against other teams when we play Liverpool. If we just played to our normal level every time we played them we’d probably have more mixed results but Moyes manages these games completely differently and we get fearful performances way below our level. The fact this has happened for the best part of 13 years under him also adds to the frustration.

I’m more angry with Moyes because he can do better and fails almost every time. Dyche just blundered in for 3 games and even his brand of rubbish football was enough to win one of them

Christ I ain't reading all that, there's another game next week.

 

[Saint Domingo]

milk two sugars, ta.

Oh no the forum has been spared whatever piece of utter guff you were going to come out with

 

[Leylo]

There all back out ffs

 

[Saint Domingo]

Only 1 player is currently starting for us who wasn't available for Dyche.

That's a recruitment issue more than anything, but it still is worth remembering.

Spent over 100 million in the summer…..

No one asking why none of these players are good enough to make the line up? Who signed off on them alll?

It’s not Moyes v Dyche either. It’s making the point that a far inferior manager in Dyche can beat Liverpool, and he did at Anfield with Forest. Why can’t a far superior manager with better players do it?

 

[The Penalty Box Dancer]

Spot on mate. This season has been appalling apart from a few unexpected away wins.

The PL is at a terribly all round low in terms of quality and to be 10th is borderline sacking offence IMO.

The feller is a house in the cups and against Liverpool....basically all we have to look forward to he cant do...AT ALL.

We're the least well matched fanbase there could be for a surrender monkey like Moyes.

It hasn't been appalling. What was your expectation at the start of the season? I think a large portion of us would have seen a stable finish around 10th as a success. The fact that we are feeling disappointed at the prospect of a midtable finish with 5 games to go shows how well David Moyes has done.

 

[Ruairi77]

Looks for Dyche’s home derby losses…

Oh man, don't go there, I'm just about recovered from your months long defence of that yarddog.

 

[ToffeeTim]

This is important to acknowledge I think. It would be a failure to not finish top half or even a European placing, even if there's only a point in it, that's the KPI they've set themselves.

Also using the acronym KPI in football feels dirty to me, but here we are.

I'm a bit lost with how the European places are going to work this season. But if say 9th gets a conference league place and we miss out, then it's hard to say that it will have been a successful season.

It's going to be more difficult to kick on next year as well without European football. Especially if 8 or 9 other teams in this league are able to offer it. I hope the season doesn't just fade away for us but it could go either way right now. No easy games left in our run in and lots of teams who we are competing against.

 

[Leylo]

Spent over 100 million in the summer…..

No one asking why none of these players are good enough to make the line up? Who signed off on them alll?

It’s not Moyes v Dyche either. It’s making the point that a far inferior manager in Dyche can beat Liverpool, and he did at Anfield with Forest. Why can’t a far superior manager with better players do it?

Drop in the ocean in the premier League we lost players squad was short talking through your arse

 

[Saint Domingo]

Oh man, don't go there, I'm just about recovered from your months long defence of that yarddog.

It will be good healing for some on the forum who are feeling better about losing the derby today because two years ago our former manager got beaten by Chelsea.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Spent over 100 million in the summer…..

No one asking why none of these players are good enough to make the line up? Who signed off on them alll?

It’s not Moyes v Dyche either. It’s making the point that a far inferior manager in Dyche can beat Liverpool, and he did at Anfield with Forest. Why can’t a far superior manager with better players do it?

I have asked that question many many times. I even said it was a recruitment problem. There's lots of very valid questions to ask about how we could spend so much money on players the manager won't even use off the bench.

 

[Hinchcliffe's Corner]

I'm a bit lost with how the European places are going to work this season. But if say 9th gets a conference league place and we miss out, then it's hard to say that it will have been a successful season.

It's going to be more difficult to kick on next year as well without European football. Especially if 8 or 9 other teams in this league are able to offer it. I hope the season doesn't just fade away for us but it could go either way right now. No easy games left in our run in and lots of teams who we are competing against.

Definitely. Also, not having a successful season doesn't mean it's been a failure either, we've shown progress up the ladder and have built (imo) a solid foundation in the squad with some talented younger players that will eventually get their time to be a mainstay of the starting side, that's how I view it anyway. I'm not of this black and white view that plagues today's society. There's definitely an opportunity for another manager to push this team onto greater things without saying Moyes isn't doing a fine job.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Drop in the ocean in the premier League we lost players squad was short talking through your arse

Oh so its fine to waste 100 million on a load of players who won’t play because its actually not a lot of money, and the squad was small so we just rammed it with players that aren’t good enough to get on the pitch regularly for us.

Makes perfect sense.