2025/26 David Moyes

[matty1878]

It may have been the way I wrote it. I have put my original quote below


The plan is spend what we did last summer each of the next 2 with youngsters like Dibling and Aznou. Loans will be provided to pad out the squad as required. I've heard the owners will not deviate from this plan even if we were to qualify for Europe this season. Moyes can aim for it all he wants as a personal goal but we would compete in it with what we have unless it was CL which would be the only reason for the owners to deviate.

So we will spend around 100-150m the next 2 summers as per the budget. Qualifying for the Conference or Europa will not change this as they don't generate the funds to justify it. Qualifying for the CL is different though as there is guaranteed mega money just for qualifying which would be used on the squad earlier. Will never happen anyway.

I don’t buy (no pun lol ) that they wont buy if we can her whom we want

They’ll want us to be successful so as long
As moyes is here he will be backed

Some people’s shouts “I Woudnt give moyes a penny and move him on in the summer


It Just isn’t happening I think we will
See his contract out

 

[windymiller]

Moyes had a higher win rate than louis van gaal. 51 games, 53%. Van gaal 103 games 52%. In my opinion Moyes took the poisoned chalice going in straight after Ferguson. He was on a hiding to nothing from the start.
They've all had a go at United since. None of them have come out smelling of roses.

He may have had a marginally higher win rate but Van Gaal won them the FA cup. I don't disagree, however, that taking over from Ferguson was a hospital pass but the fact remains that he took the league champions and got sacked when he was outside the CL qualification spots. Moyes is a decent manager, he's not an elite manager, and his patchy record confirms that. He doesn't have to be brilliant or terrible, which seems to be the main argument on here, there's an ocean between those poles and Moyes sits somewhere in it (in a rubber dinghy?).

 

[windymiller]

Moyes is here for stability.

This is my least favourite argument on here. Sorry Willo, I'm not meaning to single you out, loads of people are on your side here, I'm just trying to figure out what it means. Can someone please explain to me precisely what stability means over, let's say 1 year, 3 years and 5 years? Would 13th this year, 11th next year, 10th in year 3, back down to 11th in year 4 and then up to 8th for year 5 be stability, for example? And if so, is that really a desirable goal? I feel like "stability" is a word thrown about in this thread in particular without anyone really knowing what it means.

 

[Zatara]

Yes there will be older players as well to improve the squad like KDH but remember he wasn't 1st choice for us even though it's worked out. If I recall correctly we were after Douglas Luiz and James McAtee before him. Rohl is basically on trial and going to be from next years funds and Barry wasn't meant to be getting much game time but the failure of Beto and to get another striker in forced their hand.

Moyes is here for stability. Something we've wanted for years but never give any manager the chance to do it due to wanting instant success.
A new hip manager now and it could all go pear shaped.
These new owners are holding their nerve and are confident it will pay off.

Interesting.

Though, not sure what you mean by "Rohl is on trial" as, like you say the fee will be taken out of this summers accounts.

With it being an obligation rather than a typical loan.

If he fails this "trial" then he'll be sold at a loss with his injury history not looking pretty.

Looks a very peculiar signing to me.

As others said it seems clear that they feel Moyes is a 'fan favourite' who can help to provide stability.

But he doesnt develop young players as we have seen, once again this season. So to have a strategy of spending £100-150mil on senior and young signings probably means the senior players will always play no matter what.

This simply would not develop players as weve seen with Dibling and Aznou. Armstrong has developed well away from Moyes.

I have absolutely no idea what TFG are thinking or what their plan is more broadly for this football club. I very much doubt anyone who posts on here has any real insights, TFG aren't exactly forthcoming. The pessimist in me (and I think you know that is the biggest part - OK, second biggest!) worries that as long as we stay in the division they are happy for us to just chug along. If that is the case and we finish 12th this season (that's where I think we will finish) then we'll probably know as they will likely extend Moyes' contract as having a manager with limited time on their contract is rarely a positive in terms of performance. If we finish higher than that it will be harder to deduce their plans. If we do no better than Dyche season two, then I would want to move Moyes on, that wouldn't be progress in my opinion and to stand still is to die in this league. I admit I don't like Moyes for a variety of reasons but I would be interested to know what minimum expectations are for those who do like him because it seems to be a bit of a moveable feast to me.

Rumour is that Moyes would move upstairs once his contract finishes.

 

[Simon Buttle]

This is my least favourite argument on here. Sorry Willo, I'm not meaning to single you out, loads of people are on your side here, I'm just trying to figure out what it means. Can someone please explain to me precisely what stability means over, let's say 1 year, 3 years and 5 years? Would 13th this year, 11th next year, 10th in year 3, back down to 11th in year 4 and then up to 8th for year 5 be stability, for example? And if so, is that really a desirable goal? I feel like "stability" is a word thrown about in this thread in particular without anyone really knowing what it means.

its a fancy word for plodding/making up the numbers imo.

 

[Efcjake]

No one is demanding we compete in Europe. You were having a hissy fit because people said the Friedkins would be assessing Moyes’s performance against targets this summer, like it was the craziest idea in the world when his contract is up in 18 months. Trying to blag everyone that there’s no improvement in a squad that’s had over 100 mill poured into it and has Grealish KDH and Dibling in it, and that fans are being negative if they claim that maybe we could beat Forest before the match (which we did).

You’re single-handedly dumbing down expectations more than anyone else on here

Mate, you're all over this thread making up your own expectations for the Friedkin's and making out as if you know anything about what they expect.

There's at least five posts of you claiming they expect top ten now and Europe next season. All of that is pulled from your backside.

I've not said there's no improvement, I just disagree that it was anything other than marginal. We improved two places in the starting 11. You are stretching throwing Dibling in there and you know it.

You're the most transparent one on here. It clear you are just writing crap to justify your lovefest for Dyche. Move on pal, he's the forest manager now.

 

[Vedder]

Especially when he said he wasn’t even sure if Keane would make it through the game!

That means he's starting tomorrow nite as well

 

[Saint Domingo]

Mate, you're all over this thread making up your own expectations for the Friedkin's and making out as if you know anything about what they expect.

There's at least five posts of you claiming they expect top ten now and Europe next season. All of that is pulled from your backside.

I've not said there's no improvement, I just disagree that it was anything other than marginal. We improved two places in the starting 11. You are stretching throwing Dibling in there and you know it.

You're the most transparent one on here. It clear you are just writing crap to justify your lovefest for Dyche. Move on pal, he's the forest manager now.

Laughable nonsense. You’ve become an uber apologist because you went in so hard on Dyche. If Moyes fails to move us on significantly, after 100 mill plus spend, and being a much better manager, you have to face the awkward question as to why and will come to the realisation that the squad isn’t very good, which means it wasn’t good under Dyche either and you were wrong to go as hard as you did. So that’s why you’re trying to spin a bizarre narrative that there’s only marginal improvement, the recruitment isn’t Moyes fault, and the Friedkins have next to no expectations.

You’re gasdyching the entire forum

 

[Efcjake]

I have absolutely no idea what TFG are thinking or what their plan is more broadly for this football club. I very much doubt anyone who posts on here has any real insights, TFG aren't exactly forthcoming. The pessimist in me (and I think you know that is the biggest part - OK, second biggest!) worries that as long as we stay in the division they are happy for us to just chug along. If that is the case and we finish 12th this season (that's where I think we will finish) then we'll probably know as they will likely extend Moyes' contract as having a manager with limited time on their contract is rarely a positive in terms of performance. If we finish higher than that it will be harder to deduce their plans. If we do no better than Dyche season two, then I would want to move Moyes on, that wouldn't be progress in my opinion and to stand still is to die in this league. I admit I don't like Moyes for a variety of reasons but I would be interested to know what minimum expectations are for those who do like him because it seems to be a bit of a moveable feast to me.

I think it's still far, far too early for anyone to speak with any confidence about what the Friedkin's expectations are or what they will deem acceptable. The fact is we don't know, they've barely been here 12 months and they only sacked the last manager because he asked to be, not because of issues with his performance.

If we finish 12th and they sack Moyes I won't be crying about it.

I don't actually like him any more than most of you, I'm just not fond of the idea of replacing him without knowing with certainty that someone better is coming in. Just saying well he finished bottom half it's not good enough isn't enough for me to want to start the manager Merry go round again.

For now, things are progressing better than last season to the level I would expect given the amount of investment and the quality of the signings we brought in.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

That would be my criteria if I was TFG. Top half and a decent run in the FA cup. It's all still possible, it's up to Moyes. If he doesn't achieve that then it's not so different from season two Dyche, and then TFG would have to take a look at the situation with Moyes entering the last year of his contract.

Weird one but I dont think it makes much difference.

If we aren't going go invest, we may as well keep him.

If we are going to invest, is he the right man?

8th or 14th this season, and the handful of results that'll change that doesn't tell us anything we dont know about Moyes.

 

[Gilbert..]

He may have had a marginally higher win rate but Van Gaal won them the FA cup. I don't disagree, however, that taking over from Ferguson was a hospital pass but the fact remains that he took the league champions and got sacked when he was outside the CL qualification spots. Moyes is a decent manager, he's not an elite manager, and his patchy record confirms that. He doesn't have to be brilliant or terrible, which seems to be the main argument on here, there's an ocean between those poles and Moyes sits somewhere in it (in a rubber dinghy?).

I dont know many people who put him anywhere near elite. Actually none. And talking of elite. That squad that Ferguson won the title with Moyes inherited wasnt brilliant. It consisted of ashley young. Danny welbeck. Tom cleverly. Chris smalling. Phil jones. Few others as well who all played large chunks in that title winning side. I think that was more down to the genius of Alex Ferguson rather than any other manager would have won it with them.
The moyes thing goes around and around. This conversation was going on on bluekipper 15/20 years ago lol. But he isnt behind only Arsene Wenger and Alex Ferguson as the manager to have managed the most premier league games for no reason. I'd be looking around though for a new manager at the end of the season. But we need to seriously up our recruitment. We've offered virtually nothing from the fullback area for about 7 years. Its criminal to have not addressed this. I'd still be just a bit wary of another manager trying to play expansive football without the desired recruitment.

 

[mistuhp]

Moyes had a higher win rate than louis van gaal. 51 games, 53%. Van gaal 103 games 52%. In my opinion Moyes took the poisoned chalice going in straight after Ferguson. He was on a hiding to nothing from the start.
They've all had a go at United since. None of them have come out smelling of roses.

To me, one of the weird parts of his time there is how obvious it was that even if Ferguson stayed for another year, their last title team was led by a bunch of very old and/or frequently injured players who they were lucky to keep fit for the entire season. And yet the narrative around him is always "he took over the champions and dragged them down!" when his actual failing there was acting as if that team did not need a complete and immediate rebuild after winning the title.
I gather that he probably didn't want to rock the boat too much coming in, but if you're going to be successful there, that's exactly what you have to do.

 

[Efcjake]

Laughable nonsense. You’ve become an uber apologist because you went in so hard on Dyche. If Moyes fails to move us on significantly, after 100 mill plus spend, and being a much better manager, you have to face the awkward question as to why and will come to the realisation that the squad isn’t very good, which means it wasn’t good under Dyche either and you were wrong to go as hard as you did. So that’s why you’re trying to spin a bizarre narrative that there’s only marginal improvement, the recruitment isn’t Moyes fault, and the Friedkins have next to no expectations.

You’re gasdyching the entire forum

Stop confusing me with Mike.

I didn't go any harder on Dyche than anyone else who was sick of his turgid footy and attitude. Not to mention that joker had the team in 16th and falling down the league before Moyes turned it all around and showed him up as the fraud he is.

Stop throwing around 100 million as it it's some great figure we spent. Guess what pal? Our spending ranked us 13th in the league as far as most spent.

15 teams in the league spent over 100 million last year.

This is not the stick you all believe it is.

 

[windymiller]

I think it's still far, far too early for anyone to speak with any confidence about what the Friedkin's expectations are or what they will deem acceptable. The fact is we don't know, they've barely been here 12 months and they only sacked the last manager because he asked to be, not because of issues with his performance.

If we finish 12th and they sack Moyes I won't be crying about it.

I don't actually like him any more than most of you, I'm just not fond of the idea of replacing him without knowing with certainty that someone better is coming in. Just saying well he finished bottom half it's not good enough isn't enough for me to want to start the manager Merry go round again.

For now, things are progressing better than last season to the level I would expect given the amount of investment and the quality of the signings we brought in.

Fair enough. I suppose what I'm looking for, and it's been a bit of a theme for me today, is some clarity on what the people who are content with the current situation want in the short and medium term. I keep hearing the word "stability" but I struggle to understand what people mean when they say that. I'm pleased that you use the word "progressing" as at least that implies forward movement but from what to what?

 

[Gilbert..]

To me, one of the weird parts of his time there is how obvious it was that even if Ferguson stayed for another year, their last title team was led by a bunch of very old and/or frequently injured players who they were lucky to keep fit for the entire season. And yet the narrative around him is always "he took over the champions and dragged them down!" when his actual failing there was acting as if that team did not need a complete and immediate rebuild after winning the title.
I gather that he probably didn't want to rock the boat too much coming in, but if you're going to be successful there, that's exactly what you have to do.

Ive just said exactly that mate in another reply. Even United fans wonder how Ferguson dragged that squad to a title.