2025/26 David Moyes

[pfim]

I don't really want to wade into this, I'm not even sure how I would at this point. I would like to see more goals however.

 

[Zatara]

A "club record" Net spend that really is pennies compared to everyone else and was spread across rebuilding half a squad?

We signed 9 players for a net 97 million spend to replace 9 players that left. That was also more than was invested in the squad over the previous SEVEN windows. The cupboards were emptied.

That's not like we broke the bank on any one of them neither. I don't think it was spent wisely either but that "club record" spend is hardly the stick to beat him with.

Nonsense.

The direct comparison is to Everton, and our previous seasons.

Last summer we spent a club record amount.

Last summer we spent more than the previous 7 years combined. Thats without Grealish factored in, or a £17m obligation for Rohl.

With that comes expectation of some progress.

A better team, a better squad needs to do better. Otherwise, what's the point?

It currently is. Anything bottom half would be a disappointment considering 12th the season before last and 13th last.

£0 King
£4mil Travers
£9mil Aznou
£12mil Alcaraz
£15mil Grealish
£17.5mil Rohl
£25mil KDH
£27.5mil Barry
£35mil Dibling

£145mil and thanks not including add ons. So he'll have spent north of £150mil.

He's not the best but he does bring stability at a time where every other potential manager would be a massive gamble with our squad. Like a more attractive upmarket Dyche

How is he not able or interested in developing young players? Never has been, never will be it seems.

He needs to change the habit of a lifetime.

Well no, its as simple as expecting the club to improve and progress on the last few seasons vs Dyche, Harrison and Co.

A reasonable expectation, all considered.

And Moyes would be the first to agree - after all, his objective is Europe.

What is more important for the club;

A: Finish in Europe
B: Develop the young players

If he cant do both he's got to achieve one of them or should be binned.

Yep the reasonable response to his disastrous summer spend would be to pull the drawbridge, boot him out in the summer and give the new manager the resources.

Its just beyond me why he took away our direct approach by signing Grealish.

With a slow build up it removes Beto's strengths and probably hampers Barry as well.

Why hes signed Alcaraz, Dibling and Aznou but not used them and seemingly been purposely knocking their confidence.

How Iroegbunam now doesnt want to carry the ball down the pitch.

Perhaps if we reverted back to quick direct attacking play and he showed he was developing the young players we'd all get onside.

But he's too stubborn for that and sets up players like Alcaraz to fail. Weve seen it all before.

How the hell he signed injury prone Rohl last minute instead of adding a right back is just absolutely insane when there were quality options in Jan and summer.

 

[MikeH72]

You'll all still be here debating it till he leaves though!

Oh I have no doubt about that. It’s why I’ve said previously that, at the end of the day, it is probably for the best that he does his job of securing top half this season and then leaves. The warring factions of this fanbase need to start being brought back together or we are never going to go anywhere. Again, not sure who out there would be able to bridge that divide, it could very well have gone too far at this point.

 

[windymiller]

Yeah luckily for him it was Patterson and Chermiti missing rather than Gana and Ndiaye.

This is what I'm talking about regarding different standards for Moyes and Dyche.

This was the line up for that game against Spurs that day

Everton​

J Pickford

R Dixon
J Tarkowski
M Keane
V Mykolenko

T Iroegbunam
I Gueye
J Harrison
A Doucouré
D McNeil

D Calvert-Lewin

Is that really, as you said in an earlier post, a better starting line up than we had against Arsenal?

Injuries are a problem, but they were an issue for Dyche too. All I'm saying is that the standard we hold our managers to should be the same.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

And there we have it. Ultimately a pointless debate.

I've made that point loads. My opinion on the man is one based on decades, not any short term run of results.

I defended Moyes after bad results asking why fans say he's great one moment, terrible the next when they should have a more settled view on a manager that has managed the club for over a decade.

Doesn't mean I can't share an opinion.

He is what he is. Was glad when he left the first time, was glad when he rejoined us. He's what we've needed at certain points in our club's history. He outlived his welcome the first time, I hope it doesn't happen again. That's not to say I'm not very grateful for his contribution to the club, it's just business.

Indeed.

Though Id rather we didn't bring him back and got to the summer and appointed someone else. But alas.

 

[Hinchcliffe's Corner]

Oh I have no doubt about that. It’s why I’ve said previously that, at the end of the day, it is probably for the best that he does his job of securing top half this season and then leaves. The warring factions of this fanbase need to start being brought back together or we are never going to go anywhere. Again, not sure who out there would be able to bridge that divide, it could very well have gone too far at this point.

You don't think he's capable of winning stuff with us do you? I'm probably one of Moyes' biggest fans on here currently, but he's probably not going to, I don't hold it against him either.

 

[jceverton]

Mate, look it up. Moyes and Steidten were almost coming to blows and Moyes almost walked out on the club.

Edit - to make it easier:

Sensational claim made about incident behind the scenes at West Ham

And it could dictate key man's future if true...

www.hammers.news

Doesn't that article just pretty much confirm that Moyes hates working with a DOF and want's full control on transfers?

 

[windymiller]

This is my rapid affinity check list for DM to be congruent on the game fluency

Grealish/ KDH
Grealish/ NDiaye
Grealish/Garner
Grealish/ Barry
Grealish/ Beto
Grealish/ Mc Neil
Grealish/Gana
Grealish/ Tim
Grealish/ Alcaraz
Grealish/ Mycolenko
Grealish/ Dibling
Grealish Rohl

Barry/NDiaye
Barry/ KDH
Barry/ Garner
Barry/ Tim
Barry /Gana
Barry/ Beto inexistent in DM brain
Barry/ Mycolenko
Barry/ Alcaraz
Barry/ Mc Neil
Barry/ Rohl
Barry/ Dibling?

Beto/ NDiaye
Beto/ Alcaraz
Beto/Garner
Beto/KDH
Beto/ Mc Neil
Beto/ Tim
Beto/Gana
Beto/ Mycolenko
Beto/ Dibling
Beto/ Rohl

NDiaye/ Alcaraz
NDiaye/ Dibling
NDiaye/ KDH
NDiaye/ Garner
NDiaye/ Gana
NDiaye/ Tim
NDiaye/ Mycolenko
NDiaye/ Mc Neil
NDiaye/Rohl

KDH/ Alcaraz (based on 8/10 spot) other positions
KDH/ Gana
KDH/ Garner
KDH/ Dibling
KDH/ Tim
KDH/ Mycolenko
KDH/ Mc Neil
KDH/ Rohl

Alcaraz/ Dibling
Alcaraz/ Garner
Alcaraz/ Mycolenko
Alcaraz/ Gana
Alcaraz/ Mc Neil
Alcaraz/ Tim
Alcaraz/ Rohl

Mc Neil/ Garner
Mc Neil / Gana
Mc Neil/ Mycolenko
Mc Neil/ Tim
Mc Neil/ Dibling
McNeil/ Rohl

Garner/ Dibbling
Garner/ Tim
Garner/ Gana
Garner/ Mycolenko
Garner Rohl

Gana/ Dibling
Gana/ Tim only with DM thinking in septic shock
Gana/ Mycolenko
Gana/Rohl

Mycolenko/ Dibling
Mycolenko/Rohl
Mycolenko/ Tim

Dibling/ Rohl
Dibling/ Tim

Tim/Rohl

Yes JOB is missing on this list bc I consider him as CM and would be unfair, idem the others CM as well
This list is only for informational purposes
You can agree or not and that will be fine too

What does all of this even mean?!

 

[MikeH72]

You don't think he's capable of winning stuff with us do you? I'm probably one of Moyes' biggest fans on here currently, but he's probably not going to, I don't hold it against him either.

No but I really don’t know who is. People won’t like it, but we aren’t a club that’s been set up to compete for silverware since the 80’s. Ancelotti didn’t get anywhere near a trophy with us.

 

[Hinchcliffe's Corner]

No but I really don’t know who is. People won’t like it, but we aren’t a club that’s been set up to compete for silverware since the 80’s. Ancelotti didn’t get anywhere near a trophy with us.

Absolutely, that's why I don't hold it against him. Even in the 80s we were the second best team in England for about 4 years. We definitely have people hold onto this Nil Satis Nisi Optimum bollocks.

 

[Swartzy]

The next 2 windows will answer alot of questions..

 

[Zatara]

We have already improved over Dyche who left us on track for 34 points, so I’m not entirely sure why this argument has been invented in the first place if I’m totally honest with you. It seems to, again, have come from weird Dyche fans who dislike Moyes, we’re already seeing them trying to shift the goalposts from top half to Europe.

Pretty much everyone unanimously agreed at the start of the season that top half was the target, I don’t remember anyone setting the bar at staying up/finishing bottom half. Don’t know why this argument has cropped up after a 1-0 defeat to the league leaders without our 4 best players.

Top half would be a great finish imo...

...If he was developing the younger players in the squad and giving them consistent game time.

He moved those goalposts and so his target should be adjusted as well.

If for the rest of the season;
Iroegbunam
Alcaraz
Dibling
Aznou

All get a fair chance with runs of games starting in their favoured positions.

Also we actually play a quicker attacking tempo to suit Beto and perhaps Barry.

I'd be happy with 10th.

If not he needs Europe or he adds no value.

 

[MikeH72]

Absolutely, that's why I don't hold it against him. Even in the 80s we were the second best team in England for about 4 years. We definitely have people hold onto this Nil Satis Nisi Optimum bollocks.

Both times Moyes took over, his remit was to keep a basket case football club in the league. It’s only his own overperformance in the job that has had people reevaluate the expectations to “win a trofee hurr durr”. If he’d done nothing but tread water and scramble to 40 points like Dyche every season, people would probably hail him as some genius survival specialist like they do with him.

 

[jceverton]

£0 King
£4mil Travers
£9mil Aznou
£12mil Alcaraz
£15mil Grealish
£17.5mil Rohl
£25mil KDH
£27.5mil Barry
£35mil Dibling

£145mil and thanks not including add ons. So he'll have spent north of £150mil.



How is he not able or interested in developing young players? Never has been, never will be it seems.

He needs to change the habit of a lifetime.



What is more important for the club;

A: Finish in Europe
B: Develop the young players

If he cant do both he's got to achieve one of them or should be binned.



Its just beyond me why he took away our direct approach by signing Grealish.

With a slow build up it removes Beto's strengths and probably hampers Barry as well.

Why hes signed Alcaraz, Dibling and Aznou but not used them and seemingly been purposely knocking their confidence.

How Iroegbunam now doesnt want to carry the ball down the pitch.

Perhaps if we reverted back to quick direct attacking play and he showed he was developing the young players we'd all get onside.

But he's too stubborn for that and sets up players like Alcaraz to fail. Weve seen it all before.

How the hell he signed injury prone Rohl last minute instead of adding a right back is just absolutely insane when there were quality options in Jan and summer.

Agree with all of this, and to put this into context, he had his highest PPG at Everton if you extrapolate his half season over a full season.

 

[matty1878]

Hilarious.

Acknowledges we spent a club record last summer, representing investment of more than combined 7 seasons before it - before Grealish/Rohl - but apparently we can't expect progress on the last few seasons from a team the manager set an objective of Europe.

We've gone from Dyche and having to make big profits every summer to Moyes and club record spend but God forbid we expect progress on 12th.

If you don't improve after big investment, fingers have to be pointed.

we’re is this hillarious?

we’ve improved already
ah the end of the season will show that

it takes time and will take time

rome and all that

people thinking as we’ve spent a set amount have raised therye own bars
to high