2025/26 David Moyes

[Rita_Poon]

Football Hooliganism isn't what it used to be.

The semantics of hope vs want vs expect vs would like vs....

Just for a giggle someone could have lobbed the burnley newcastle fixture grenade into the mix. Or that the afcon have agreed to go 4 yearly cycle starting after 2028. Who's our* ref tomorrow?

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

Which is what I said for the past two seasons under Dyche and got absolutely ridiculed for it by the same people now parroting those exact same lines.

The main counter argument is we had a massive uptick in form when we changed manager. It's not contradictory at all to think changing the manager will improve results and also to understand that there is only so much a manager can do with the players available to him.

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

This place is an alternate universe. It's the only explanation left to me.

I think I need to breathe fresh air.

Ah, but do you expect to breathe fresh air?

 

[Bedfordblue]

It’s long since been acknowledged by the majority that Moyles is a contemporary Harry Redknapp / Steve Bruce minus the success or peril.
He’ll do for now, middle of the road mediocrity via hard to watch football, sprinkled with the occasional highlight.
If there’s any desire to win anything, we should be seeking an upgrade.
Persisting with him will only dampen down any aspirations the new stadium and ownership have raised.
There’s a reason the Americans only gave him 2.5 years, I just hope Anus Kinnear doesn’t convince them to extend it.

 

[Efcjake]

Yeah they're similar, but theres a difference.

Think = probability
Expect = assumed reality

There's loads of things I think will happen, but more of a hunch than what I expect to happen.

I can understand someone saying think they we'll win, but don't expect it. I do that most games with Everton.

An expectation is a probability too. Otherwise it would be a guarantee.

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

Saying you think something WILL happen implies expectation for the future. It is the future tense and includes predictions and expectations. The expectation is implied in the use of the future tense.

It is an indication you believe something will occur in the future. I.e. an expectation.

Cambridge dictionary expectation

the feeling that good things are going to happen in the future:

I don't disagree with the the general thrust of your argument my friend but there is a difference between thinking something will happen and expecting it to happen. Having an expectation implies a level of entitlement i.e. if you expect something there is an implicit assumption of entitled disappointment if it doesn't happen. Thinking something will happen doesn't have that connotation.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

An expectation is a probability too. Otherwise it would be a guarantee.

Theres a difference between think and expect. I'm going to press the AI button for you;

An expectation does involve some sense of probability. But the difference I’m pointing out is more about mindset: when I think something will happen, it’s more like a guess or a hunch, even if the probability is low. When I expect something, I’m mentally treating it as the likely outcome, as if it’s closer to reality, even though it’s not guaranteed. So yes, both involve probability, but expectation carries more weight, more commitment to that outcome in your mind

 

[Efcjake]

I don't disagree with the the general thrust of your argument my friend but there is a difference between thinking something will happen and expecting it to happen. Having an expectation implies a level of entitlement i.e. if you expect something there is an implicit assumption of entitled disappointment if it doesn't happen. Thinking something will happen doesn't have that connotation.

If you think something will happen do you not expect it to happen? They're expressions for balances of probability where the likelihood of the outcome is presumed to be favourable.

There is not a connotation of disappointment if an expectation isn't met, that's only true if someone is going to be disappointed by the expected outcome it's not a function of expectation in and of itself.

All this proves is that we really will argue about anything on here.

 

[BlueStevie35]

Settling this once and for all, last season we hit a blip in form, Dyche couldn’t stop the rot and subsequently threw the towel in, Moyes had a run of 5 draws in 6 and didn’t panic then earlier in the season after a 4 game run without a win and won’t after 3 games currently

 

[Efcjake]

Theres a difference between think and expect. I'm going to press the AI button for you;

An expectation does involve some sense of probability. But the difference I’m pointing out is more about mindset: when I think something will happen, it’s more like a guess or a hunch, even if the probability is low. When I expect something, I’m mentally treating it as the likely outcome, as if it’s closer to reality, even though it’s not guaranteed. So yes, both involve probability, but expectation carries more weight, more commitment to that outcome in your mind

Yes they're both expressing that a possible likelihood is anticipated in the future.

Thank you ChatGOT.

I'll quote the Google AI for you here

To express that you think something will happen (an expectation) in English, the most common and direct phrasing is using "I think... will" or simply stating the sentence with the auxiliary verb "will". The verb "expect" is also used.

 

[PercyPlant]

Imagine believing there are Evertonians of decades standing willing Dyche on to beat Everton tomorrow to...erm...teach Evertonians a lesson.

Frightening.

I did ask, the other day, before this debate came up, but in the nicest way possible I am interested as to why you disappeared after the Bournemouth an more importantly the Man United win, yet within mins of the full time whistle on Saturday it was post after post.

You’re clearly an intelligent guy, you can surely see how that looks?

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

It’s long since been acknowledged by the majority that Moyles is a contemporary Harry Redknapp / Steve Bruce minus the success or peril.
He’ll do for now, middle of the road mediocrity via hard to watch football, sprinkled with the occasional highlight.
If there’s any desire to win anything, we should be seeking an upgrade.
Persisting with him will only dampen down any aspirations the new stadium and ownership have raised.
There’s a reason the Americans only gave him 2.5 years, I just hope Anus Kinnear doesn’t convince them to extend it.

That's not acknowledged by the majority at all. The biggest obstacle to us winning anything is our net spend, not the manager.

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

If you think something will happen do you not expect it to happen? They're expressions for balances of probability where the likelihood of the outcome is presumed to be favourable.

There is not a connotation of disappointment if an expectation isn't met, that's only true if someone is going to be disappointed by the expected outcome it's not a function of expectation in and of itself.

All this proves is that we really will argue about anything on here.

No for the reasons I said earlier. Expectation implies entitlement. For example, Do you think this coin toss will be heads or tails? I think it will be heads. Is a completely normal use of language. No one would ever say they expect a tossed coin to produce a particular result because expect implies entitlement. The fact the sentence "I expect us to win but I think we will lose" has a clear meaning shows expectations and thinking are different things.

 

[windymiller]

Hmmm…

Go on then, name the people who want Everton to lose. No innuendo just straight up name and shame.

 

[MikeH72]

I did ask, the other day, before this debate came up, but in the nicest way possible I am interested as to why you disappeared after the Bournemouth an more importantly the Man United win, yet within mins of the full time whistle on Saturday it was post after post.

You’re clearly an intelligent guy, you can surely see how that looks?

Several times last season under the former manager, he openly stated on here that he wanted us to lose games against teams that he perceived to be Liverpool’s title rivals, when none of them ended up getting anywhere near the title anyway.

I don’t see the point pretending that everyone on here wants us to win every single game, when people have just blatantly stated otherwise in black and white.