2025/26 David Moyes

[windymiller]

There's people who are going to be delighted to promote their Anti Moyes or Pro Dyche views if we do lose.

That much is very clear.

Who? Name them or this is just posturing.

 

[Rita_Poon]

bit rich out of some...

 

[MikeH72]

Go on then, name the people who want Everton to lose. No innuendo just straight up name and shame.

See my above post. @davek wants Everton to lose, he wanted us to lose the previous game against Forest, that’s why he took a 24 hour hiatus after the game. He has also previously stated that he has wanted us to lose games to assist Liverpool’s title rivals (in December, while we’ve been embroiled in a relegation battle at the same time)

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

An expectation is a probability too. Otherwise it would be a guarantee.

An expectation isn't a probability at all. It is an entitlement. I expect my wife to wait up for me when I come home from work is different to saying I think she will wait up for me. The first sentence implies a sense of entitlement.

 

[windymiller]

See my above post. @davek wants Everton to lose, he wanted us to lose the previous game against Forest, that’s why he took a 24 hour hiatus after the game. He has also previously stated that he has wanted us to lose games to assist Liverpool’s title rivals (in December, while we’ve been embroiled in a relegation battle at the same time)

So Dave, a very obvious WUM who will say anything for a reaction. Anyone else?

 

[MikeH72]

So Dave, a very obvious WUM who will say anything for a reaction. Anyone else?

You asked for a person and I gave you a person. Have you got a set number you need to tick off or something?

You just claimed that nobody on here wants us to lose. Well Dave wants us to lose.

 

[PercyPlant]

Several times last season under the former manager, he openly stated on here that he wanted us to lose games against teams that he perceived to be Liverpool’s title rivals, when none of them ended up getting anywhere near the title anyway.

I don’t see the point pretending that everyone on here wants us to win every single game, when people have just blatantly stated otherwise in black and white.

That’s crackers. There wasn’t a title race last season, it was one of the worst quality seasons of 30 years.

 

[MikeH72]

An expectation isn't a probability at all. It is an entitlement. I expect my wife to wait up for me when I come home from work is different to saying I think she will wait up for me. The first sentence implies a sense of entitlement.

It only implies entitlement if you want it to imply that. If I say I think Aldi will be busy tomorrow, and then say “oh but I don’t expect it to be” you would rightly call me out as making no sense.

 

[windymiller]

You asked for a person and I gave you a person. Have you got a set number you need to tick off or something?

You just claimed that nobody on here wants us to lose. Well Dave wants us to lose.

If Dave is it, then I think saying that people want us to lose is disingenuous. Dave believes in nothing but reactions, he doesn't believe at least half of the stuff he says on here. He's like the nihilists from The Big Lebowski.

Even Dave doesn't really want us to lose, he just wants you to react to him saying that he wants to lose and you always indulge him.

I'll give you a number. Two. Dave and....?

 

[MikeH72]

If Dave is it, then I think saying that people want us to lose is disingenuous. Dave believes in nothing but reactions, he doesn't believe at least half of the stuff he says on here. He's like the nihilists from The Big Lebowski.

Even Dave doesn't really want us to lose, he just wants you to react to him saying that he wants to lose and you always indulge him.

I'll give you a number. Two. Dave and....?

@NeilMorepies

Assume you’ll adjust the number to 3 now.

 

[blue to the bone]

Under Dyche - GOT reaction

Talking about avoiding relegation - not on, what happened to NSNO
Criticising players - he’s thrown them under the bus
Saying the opposition have a good team - no excuses, we’re Everton
Mentioning prem experience, or fitness - shut your mouth you brexit curry eating dinosaur
Bemoaning player unavailability - another excuse
Claiming fans have European expectations - he’s having a go at the fans
Dropping points to newly promoted teams - sackable offence
Not starting Roman Dixon - sackable offence


Under Moyes - GOT reaction
Talking about avoiding relegation - it’s all about stability
Criticising players - they deserve it
Saying the opposition have a good team - it’s the truth
Mentioning prem experience or fitness - absolutely right, we need prem ready players now.
Bemoaning player availability - it would impact any team, we have a crap squad
Claiming fans have European expectations - fans shouldn’t have them, that’s crazy, it’s all about stability, we have a crap squad that needs another 100 mill pumped in
Dropping points to newly promoted teams - we’re basically the same as them without our best players, can’t expect to be ready for the season when he wasn’t backed in the summer
Not starting Roman Dixon - who? Oh him, he’s crap anyway. Moyes is doing the right thing keeping our 40 mill winger on the bench for half a season though and giving Aznou zero game time, he needs prem proven players now.


They’re both saying exactly the same things and neither of them are/were wrong. We do need prem proven players in every position, a lot of teams in the league are better than us, and the job for both of them at first was about avoiding relegation.

Yet the reaction to one was complete hysteria whilst the reaction to the same messages from the other is a race to down play any expectations whatsoever. At one point even Moyes a very conservative manager was talking about Europe and it was getting shouted down on here!

We have poured 100 mill plus into a squad that has achieved 48 points two seasons in a row. For me mid 50s, top half, and a cup run would be ‘par’ and equivalent progress for the fifth highest net spend in the league last summer. Moyes is on track for that at the moment if we can have a better second half of the season and take a tilt at the FA Cup.

Wow

 

[BlueStevie35]

See my above post. @davek wants Everton to lose, he wanted us to lose the previous game against Forest, that’s why he took a 24 hour hiatus after the game. He has also previously stated that he has wanted us to lose games to assist Liverpool’s title rivals (in December, while we’ve been embroiled in a relegation battle at the same time)

Not to mention the countless times he wanted us to throw cup games but suddenly now the Sunderland tie is seen as important to the season

 

[Rita_Poon]

Not to mention the countless times he wanted us to throw cup games but suddenly now the Sunderland tie is seen as important to the season

tbf, he's been calling for Dyche to throw the euro games for forest so he can focus on the league to get europe again next season. Presumably to throw it again for a bit of a laugh or something...

 

[windymiller]

@NeilMorepies

Assume you’ll adjust the number to 3 now.

Did he? When?

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

It only implies entitlement if you want it to imply that. If I say I think Aldi will be busy tomorrow, and then say “oh but I don’t expect it to be” you would rightly call me out as making no sense.

Yes, they can mean the same thing, but they don't always mean the same thing. They aren't synonyms. So I am right.