2025/26 David Moyes

[Marcus Kendall]

Don't want to veer too far off topic but seeing as the standard of pretty much every sport in the world is universally accepted as having got better, and people are running faster, jumping higher etc, it would be really weird if the most popular and played sport of them all was somehow bucking the trend and getting worse. To stay on topic, there is certainly a possibility that having a manager who came into the game in a different era and doesn't appear to have adapted his methods since isn't helping us move forward as a club.

Mens high jump world record was set in the 90s so are athletes actually jumping higher?

 

[blue61]

Mens high jump world record was set in the 90s so are athletes actually jumping higher?

Only when being chased by a tiger.

 

[Marcus Kendall]

I do think that team was ahead of it's time as I remember when they came to Goodison and they were mostly absolute beasts.

But the captain of that team has said this.

Vieira Combined XI

Ex players will always say things like this though as they want to appear humble etc. It's like Ronnie O'Sullivan will say Stephen Hendry is the GOAT and vice versa as to be humble but deep down they'd both back themselves against the other

 

[Little Ralphy]

Ex players will always say things like this though as they want to appear humble etc. It's like Ronnie O'Sullivan will say Stephen Hendry is the GOAT and vice versa as to be humble but deep down they'd both back themselves against the other

What's humble about keeping himself in and removing some of his teammates?

 

[MACCA75]

I've been thinking about this a lot...

How many of the current squad would be picked ahead of the 80s team.

Even JP would not displace Nev.

They are mostly very poor, overpaid egotistical wasters with a handful of exceptions and it is really making me so angry to see the lack of care or effort let alone actual football ability.

I suspect Jake O’Brien would be picked ahead of Gary Stevens.
Moyes is managing yeah?

 

[Marcus Kendall]

Because he has to show to the media his appreciation of the modern players but again if you'd ask him privately I'd wager apart from the keeper he'd say none of the current team would be good enough

What's humble about keeping himself in and removing some of his teammates?

 

[Little Ralphy]

Because he has to show to the media his appreciation of the modern players but again if you'd ask him privately I'd wager apart from the keeper he'd say none of the current team would be good enough

But neither of us are likely to ask him privately so we'll have to go on what he has said publicly for the time being.

 

[Rob17896]

Tongue firmly in cheek. I know it, you know it, we all know it. Just got out of bed on the wrong side this morning and wanted to provoke a reaction in someone.

And I guess you are the someone...but you aren't wrong, either...and neither are the others who may or may not have agreed with my 'take' on the DM tenure.

I just feel that we are really not going forward but stagnating into a 'comfortable' mid table team with an occasional Cup 'run' to placate the fans, something which is far from acceptable for a Club of our stature and history.

the Cup run would be a start

 

[Rob17896]

The Great Moyesiah isn't against nurturing and bringing on young talent. His priority was to secure Premiership football a.s.a.p. without the fear of relegation hanging over our heads - especially in our first season at BMD - so utilised those more experienced players to do so rather than drop youngsters into what may have become a s*** fest like the last few seasons. Next season will be much more different when we get to see a wholly different and more youthful side who have had that bit more time to develop.

Caveat: Well, that's what I want to believe but we know it isn't going to happen though. Is it?

Avoiding relegation was last season and the season before that and the season just gone and the season after that and the season after that and on and on and on. we are even more boring than this post.

 

[Marcus Kendall]

But neither of us are likely to ask him privately so we'll have to go on what he has said publicly for the time being.

Or just ignore it as a puff piece. If you think this current Arsenal side is as good as that one then good luck to you but I doubt many would share your point of view

 

[DOMNOLAN]

Only when being chased by a tiger.

Hull are going to win the league next year!

 

[Lanolin]

Mens high jump world record was set in the 90s so are athletes actually jumping higher?

As I said, I don't want to go too far off topic so won't carry on after this but yeah I don't think one individual being ahead of their time etc really means a lot with this type of thing. A lot of serious track and field fans would tell you that high jumpers like Barshim and Bondarenko jumped higher than Sotomayor's world record numerous times, but never did it with the bar set at the WR height so it obviously isn't recorded, but even if you ignore that it's hard to argue against records in general being broken as time passes and the exception just proves the rule really.

In many ways it's a pointless discussion because there's no way of ever proving it either way. For me the argument you're making sounds very similar to the old tropes that the 'best' World Cup is always the one that takes place closest to your 10th birthday and the clubs you perceive as being 'big' are the ones which were successful when you first became interested in football, but maybe you're right and football peaked when Alan Wright, Steve Stone and Rob Lee made the PFA team of the year, we'll never know.

 

[Marcus Kendall]

As I said, I don't want to go too far off topic so won't carry on after this but yeah I don't think one individual being ahead of their time etc really means a lot with this type of thing. A lot of serious track and field fans would tell you that high jumpers like Barshim and Bondarenko jumped higher than Sotomayor's world record numerous times, but never did it with the bar set at the WR height so it obviously isn't recorded, but even if you ignore that it's hard to argue against records in general being broken as time passes and the exception just proves the rule really.

In many ways it's a pointless discussion because there's no way of ever proving it either way. For me the argument you're making sounds very similar to the old tropes that the 'best' World Cup is always the one that takes place closest to your 10th birthday and the clubs you perceive as being 'big' are the ones which were successful when you first became interested in football, but maybe you're right and football peaked when Alan Wright, Steve Stone and Rob Lee made the PFA team of the year, we'll never know.

Sotomayor and Sjoberg have unofficially jumped higher too so it's a neither here nor there debate. Its a myth that humans are running quicker and jumping higher but its true athletes have never been as well prepared and have access to modern science like never before. Sport is certainly more professional now that's undeniable but with the riches available for not having to be elite I'd argue athletes don't strive to be the very best anymore (with exceptions here and there of course) and are happy being good enough to earn the riches on offer without having to go to the extra level. Factoring in the improvements in football pitches, boots, balls etc you'd think with evolution we'd be watching players who are miles better than of yesteryear which is nowhere near the case

 

[LinekersLegs]

Moyes isn’t jumping higher up the performance table as time goes on

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

If this season had gone on for just four more games we'd have gone down. We'd not have got another point this season with 20 games to go.