ValBlue
Player Valuation: £35m
That Digne looks decent
dannyboy
Player Valuation: £70m
I'd go as far as to say that the team you mention there isn't even stability. It'll flirt with relegation more than it will the top half.
The last 6 weeks or so and Villa winning tonight has really brought home how bad things are and have been for us.
Honestly this summer feels like our Villa moment when they brought in Emery. Two top quality managers right there for the taking. Moyes has done well bringing us away from the bottom scraping relegation and we should thank him for that. But he isn't the right man to take us forward. We need a modern day manager. Football has changed massively. You can just see we aren't going to take it and it's bloody frustrating. Our motto needs changing.
Simon Buttle
Player Valuation: £60m
Having the right coach with the right mentality makes such a difference. I actually don't think Villa have any real outstanding individual's, collectively they are just a good team.
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
We have about three players of genuine quality in the team in Pickford Branthwaite and Grealish and it’s absolutely peak Everton that they couldn’t get all of them on the pitch at once and we spent half the season without either of the outfield players.
Keane and McNeil don’t miss though so I guess we should be grateful.
I known everyone gets injuries but seriously are we ever going to have a season when our best players are available to us more often than not and for the big games.
the problem for me isnt the 12 out of 30 points. It's not making the obvious changes that would have made that a whole lot more.
Edit: I read on and saw you want him gone
dannyboy
Player Valuation: £70m
We're so far from the Villa moment. When he arrived, there was a good squad to take over that was being managed badly by Gerrard. Any new manager we get still has so much work to do in the transfer market.
Atleast this is about our manager, try popping into The new shirt sponsor thread.
2 seasons before that they nearly got relegated. They would but at least we would target the right players for the future. Keep Moyes and we will get an injury prone Stones, Soucek and White. It's depressing.
JobForTheMoyes
Player Valuation: £50m
We don’t know who we’re getting yet.
was it that good? honestly cant remember.
It's not like it's full of superstars now. Just well coached.
You just know it will be crap like that if Moyes is here. He wants older proven Premier League players.
JobForTheMoyes
Player Valuation: £50m
His transfer record doesn’t beat this out. It’s usually a mix of youth and prime.
GrayJ
Player Valuation: £225k
I think the most galling thing about this season is that most of us would have accepted finishing 12th–14th if it genuinely felt like we were building towards something. If Moyes had spent the season blooding players like Dibling, Aznou, Armstrong, Rohl and George, while giving O’Brien a proper run at centre-back, at least we’d head into next season with a clearer idea of who’s good enough and a squad with some momentum behind it.
Instead, we’ve sat through a full season of Tarkowski and Keane together despite it being abundantly clear we haemorrhage goals whenever they play as a pair. McNeil has been undroppable for the second half of the season despite not registering a goal or assist, and after the Leeds debacle where he couldn’t be bothered tracking his runner, he starts the next week. If that was Rohl we wouldn’t have seen him again for the rest of the season.
Moyes’ refusal to use the squad properly has burnt out the few players who were actually performing consistently. Tactically there’s been absolutely zero flexibility — same formation, same players, same approach every single week regardless of form or opposition. Patterson comes in against Forest and Villa and suddenly the side looks more balanced, only to be dropped once Keane’s available again. O’Brien has cost us goals playing out of position at right-back, through no fault of his own, yet he’s played there anyway.
The football itself is painful to watch. We spend 70 minutes inviting pressure onto ourselves hoping to nick it rather than being proactive in games and making changes based on who’s playing well or how the opposition are set up. We get Beto for Barry and maybe a winger if we’re lucky.
Watching Villa now just highlights the difference in coaching. They’ve scored a brilliantly worked set-piece goal against Freiburg because their coaching staff have clearly identified a weakness and drilled a routine to take advantage. We’ve conceded from the exact same corner all season and looked completely incapable of threatening from our own set pieces. Has anything been done to fix it? No.
Then you hear comments after getting battered at home by Newcastle about how we “can’t compete with them” despite the fact they’d lost every away game up to that point and have only won three away matches since. That mentality seeps into the whole club. It’s always “knife to a gunfight”, always lowering expectations for when we inevitably achieve nothing.
The patience argument just doesn’t wash anymore. We’re likely finishing below Sunderland and probably Leeds too — both Championship clubs last season. Sunderland rebuilt an entire squad, integrated new signings, and now look like they’re going to qualify for Europe. Clubs like Brentford, Bournemouth and Brighton continue to out perform us. So why exactly are Everton fans expected to accept stagnation year after year?
I’m just tired of it all. I’ve been going nearly 30 years, in that time we’ve barely won a derby, never seriously competed for a trophy, and now we’re told we should simply be grateful not to be in a relegation battle. Maybe Moyes would get more leeway if we hadn’t already lived through this exact cycle with him before.
With the new stadium and the revenue opportunities that come with it, we have a great opportunity to kick on, we need a manager with hunger, new ideas and the courage to actually push the club on instead of constantly framing Everton as underdogs who should just be thankful to survive.
So yeah, in short, I think it’s time for Moyes to be replaced. More dissatisfied than happily dissatisfied.
Instead, we’ve sat through a full season of Tarkowski and Keane together despite it being abundantly clear we haemorrhage goals whenever they play as a pair. McNeil has been undroppable for the second half of the season despite not registering a goal or assist, and after the Leeds debacle where he couldn’t be bothered tracking his runner, he starts the next week. If that was Rohl we wouldn’t have seen him again for the rest of the season.
Moyes’ refusal to use the squad properly has burnt out the few players who were actually performing consistently. Tactically there’s been absolutely zero flexibility — same formation, same players, same approach every single week regardless of form or opposition. Patterson comes in against Forest and Villa and suddenly the side looks more balanced, only to be dropped once Keane’s available again. O’Brien has cost us goals playing out of position at right-back, through no fault of his own, yet he’s played there anyway.
The football itself is painful to watch. We spend 70 minutes inviting pressure onto ourselves hoping to nick it rather than being proactive in games and making changes based on who’s playing well or how the opposition are set up. We get Beto for Barry and maybe a winger if we’re lucky.
Watching Villa now just highlights the difference in coaching. They’ve scored a brilliantly worked set-piece goal against Freiburg because their coaching staff have clearly identified a weakness and drilled a routine to take advantage. We’ve conceded from the exact same corner all season and looked completely incapable of threatening from our own set pieces. Has anything been done to fix it? No.
Then you hear comments after getting battered at home by Newcastle about how we “can’t compete with them” despite the fact they’d lost every away game up to that point and have only won three away matches since. That mentality seeps into the whole club. It’s always “knife to a gunfight”, always lowering expectations for when we inevitably achieve nothing.
The patience argument just doesn’t wash anymore. We’re likely finishing below Sunderland and probably Leeds too — both Championship clubs last season. Sunderland rebuilt an entire squad, integrated new signings, and now look like they’re going to qualify for Europe. Clubs like Brentford, Bournemouth and Brighton continue to out perform us. So why exactly are Everton fans expected to accept stagnation year after year?
I’m just tired of it all. I’ve been going nearly 30 years, in that time we’ve barely won a derby, never seriously competed for a trophy, and now we’re told we should simply be grateful not to be in a relegation battle. Maybe Moyes would get more leeway if we hadn’t already lived through this exact cycle with him before.
With the new stadium and the revenue opportunities that come with it, we have a great opportunity to kick on, we need a manager with hunger, new ideas and the courage to actually push the club on instead of constantly framing Everton as underdogs who should just be thankful to survive.
So yeah, in short, I think it’s time for Moyes to be replaced. More dissatisfied than happily dissatisfied.
JLW
Player Valuation: £70m
We wasn't 3 years ago, guess what changed?
Villa went and got a proper manager not a firefighter, they will be lifting a trophy in a few minutes and playing CL football.
While our fans are clapping Moyes like 'kin seal, embarrassing.
