2025/26 David Moyes

[Blueblooded]

I spent a few hours this morning catching up on this thread, now I have another 40+ pages to peruse.

Even before today's dire result my mind was made up: Moyes is the past, so we should thank him for his service and look to a brighter future with a more ambitious and adventurous manager (Glasner would be my first choice, having done the business in two different leagues).

I can't be doing with another season of us playing like mentality midgets, with unimaginitive substitutions you could set your watch by, a total inability (lately) to hold on to a lead and the utter stagnation of young players. I've said it before, but what agent or parent of a talented & ambitious youngster would advise them to sign for a manager who thinks sitting on the bench for a whole season (give or take a few 5-10 minute cameos) is good for their development??

I guess this upcoming end-of-season period is when we'll really learn what TFG think of us as an investment. Tbh, I'm resigned to another season of Moyes' brand of mid-table mediocrity and early cup exits, but maybe they'll surprise me (because I'm sure he won't).

 

[Amw79]

I’m a general defender of Moyes. We’ve had some seasons in the last 5 years, where we’ve gone into the penultimate game needing to win to avoid relegation, and today we were pushing for a Euro spot. So he’s certainly turned that side of it around. So hopefully this is measured criticism.

But today is all on him, for me. Was clear the system was wrong after 20 mins. Lack of a press, left Sunderland having tons of possession in the 1st half, which kills any crowd involvement. Lack of drive from the players from the off, indicates the wrong starting mentality. The usual sub of Barry for Beto after 70 minutes - predictable and expected. Bringing Coleman on when we’re chasing a goal - the wrong call. Think he got it all wrong today, and was unable to affect a poor showing from the players, and unwilling to change a tactically poor setup.

 

[jazzy]

Seamus really shouldn't even be on the bench taking away the sentimentality aspect as he's completely finished. Also having 2 out and out right backs on the bench is appalling management and Aznou must be fuming that if Mykolenko would get injured then a right back would gave to be shoehorned at left back rather than him who's a natural there

If Myko got injured Moyes wouldn't bring on Aznou even if he was on the bench

 

[Marcus Kendall]

If Myko got injured Moyes wouldn't bring on Aznou even if he was on the bench

Sadly you're correct

 

[efcste97]

 

[Streetender1878]

How many goals have we conceded since brantwaite got injured. I dont care if you are pro keane or tarkowski but as a partnership they concede terrible goals. Pick a right back from coleman,patterson or garner and put obrien at centreback. Nope moyes has not seen it or been too stubborn to change it that we have gone from europa league contenders to playing for 15th.

 

[Blue peter]

You would have thought that this match was a very good opportunity to play JOB in the centre instead of Keane and let Seamus start as RB for his last homegame.

If you look at the results of the last matches it's just terrible. But more importantly, the way we played was even worse. Europe was up for grabs but instead of going for it, DM was again reverting to reactionary football.

Moyes will get a team somewhere between 12th to 15th but his mindset is not adventurous enough to take a team any further.

Disagree to an extent (and I say extent as I don’t know how much he and football in general has changed) but he used to get us an av position of anywhere between 5th and 8th so he has shown previously he can get us higher.

For me it’s just how long it takes for us to get there (and whether he now can in the current footballing climate). The game has changed but even if he can get us there I expect it would be at least a couple of years away. His improvements appear to be slow and incremental and not the bold advances a club in a stadium like ours would want. I want someone to get us there faster and with a more attack minded style which is easier on the eye.

 

[Little Ralphy]

With the Tarks and Keane partnership we concede 2 goals or more yet, Moyes continues to persist with them, why? It's not like we haven't got an actual right - back at the club.

Agreed. When they play any mistake made is punished as neither can cover anything.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

Agree with all of that except stability, we seem to have a lot of ‘stable’ but at times not very much ‘ability’ and I don’t see why you can’t recognise all of those salient points you make with new management. I just do not think Moyes is an aggressive enough / attack minded enough manager. He seems to want to win but with a defensive mindset.

Whether Moyes is the man to do it is an open question. I think he has proven he can, but I totally respect people with a contrary opinion.

At one point his West Ham team was actually an aggressive and physical team that could dominate a game. But they did rely on a set eleven and once they lost key men they didn’t look as proficient and become more negative.

What he needs to prove next season is he can build an aggressive team that can actually dominate a game like his best old Everton teams. If he cannot then it will be the end of the line for him.

My main issue is I think the problems that need addressed go far beyond just changing the manager. It’s an oversimplification.

 

[efcste97]

Bringing on McNeil instead of Armstrong or Dibling sums him up.

 

[Evermol]

He brings on Dwight to save the game. The same Dwight he tried to sell a few months ago. If we are to progress as a team he needs to go. Thanks for stabilising us again but goodbye Davey

 

[carolinablue232]

Whether Moyes is the man to do it is an open question. I think he has proven he can, but I totally respect people with a contrary opinion.

At one point his West Ham team was actually an aggressive and physical team that could dominate a game. But they did rely on a set eleven and once they lost key men they didn’t look as proficient and become more negative.

What he needs to prove next season is he can build an aggressive team that can actually dominate a game like his best old Everton teams. If he cannot then it will be the end of the line for him.

My main issue is I think the problems that need addressed go far beyond just changing the manager. It’s an oversimplification.

He’s turning into a slightly better Dyche imo. Too stubborn to acknowledge when he’s got it wrong and too rigid to change his ways. There’s a cap on Moyes that’s self inflicted.

 

[efcste97]

Whether Moyes is the man to do it is an open question. I think he has proven he can, but I totally respect people with a contrary opinion.

At one point his West Ham team was actually an aggressive and physical team that could dominate a game. But they did rely on a set eleven and once they lost key men they didn’t look as proficient and become more negative.

What he needs to prove next season is he can build an aggressive team that can actually dominate a game like his best old Everton teams. If he cannot then it will be the end of the line for him.

My main issue is I think the problems that need addressed go far beyond just changing the manager. It’s an oversimplification.

Wow, the sentiment has changed quickly. A few weeks ago it was “He’s going to be here for the foreseeable” and “Get used to it.” Not from you specifically, by the way.

 

[ClausThomsen]

He’s chosen to keep playing the same players who are either out of form or in need of a rest. That’s where the mistakes and bad decisions come from. Seriously neglected the squad this season and the result is what we have seen over the past 6 games

Without Europe and out of both competitions early it's difficult to say any of the players have been overstretched this season in terms of playing minutes. And though I've not looked at it I doubt that there's much linearity between minutes played and mistakes if you went through the squad.

The form thing I'm in some agreement with but I doubt many would have looked at resting Ndiaye today as a positive or dropping Tarkowski for swathes of the season.

 

[Streetender1878]

If you want a manager going into the last year of his contract moaning about not knowing his future and not being able to sign the players he wants to take us forward and our better players being cherrypicked coz they want european footy you will have a lovely summer. Its never his fault yet i seem to remember this from his last stint in charge.