He won a European trophy
It also highlights the risks in changing manager though
ValBlue
Player Valuation: £35m
Their problems are clearly deeper than the manager to be fair
Probably
But they still thought they would do better by changing the manager and they haven't
It doesn't always mean improvement. We should know this by now ourselves
JLW
Player Valuation: £70m
They have a squad full of money hungry young footballers who dont really care if they play or not and thats the problem.
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ValBlue
Player Valuation: £35m
so what…never change the manager? We should be shackled to Moyes until death? What’s the point here? Chelsea ironically also have a very good history of being ruthless with managers under Abramovic. Doesn’t mean you’re always going to be successful when you chop and change either. It’s whataboutism at best.
MondayHater
Player Valuation: £8m
They have also spent about 2 billion on players recently and have a squad of about 900 players.
Andy McGurk
Player Valuation: £8m
Not sure where to put this so I'll put it in the Moyes thread, currently each team in the three distinct mindset groups (regardless of where they are in the league)
A) "we're a big club and we expect to win all the time"
Arsenal, Man City, Man Utd, RS, Spurs (for now)
B) "we're a big club that knows what it's like to be relegated so let's try and be as ambitious as possible even if some seasons it doesn't work as well"
Villa, Sunderland, Newcastle, West Ham, Leeds, Forest
C) "we're a small club but lets go at them because no one expects us to win, even if it doesn't work"
Bournemouth, Brighton, Brentford, Fulham, Palace, Burnley, Wolves
We're the only club that sits in the "We're happy to get premier league money because for 35 years we've nearly been relegated and also never had any money", which still lingers in every department of the club, whether that is through the long term players we have (coleman, Keane, etc) or even our media team on socials.
Moyes has done a very good job this season for the most part, but he isn't helping with changing the mindset of the club. It's almost as if the owners went "we're safe now, lets not risk a European campaign until we can afford new players"
A) "we're a big club and we expect to win all the time"
Arsenal, Man City, Man Utd, RS, Spurs (for now)
B) "we're a big club that knows what it's like to be relegated so let's try and be as ambitious as possible even if some seasons it doesn't work as well"
Villa, Sunderland, Newcastle, West Ham, Leeds, Forest
C) "we're a small club but lets go at them because no one expects us to win, even if it doesn't work"
Bournemouth, Brighton, Brentford, Fulham, Palace, Burnley, Wolves
We're the only club that sits in the "We're happy to get premier league money because for 35 years we've nearly been relegated and also never had any money", which still lingers in every department of the club, whether that is through the long term players we have (coleman, Keane, etc) or even our media team on socials.
Moyes has done a very good job this season for the most part, but he isn't helping with changing the mindset of the club. It's almost as if the owners went "we're safe now, lets not risk a European campaign until we can afford new players"
preposterousvelios
Player Valuation: £15m
Meanwhile the managerial succession thread has been revived, tide is turning on old Davey
That an very extreme take on what I said. Did I touch a nerve or something?
'Shackled to Moyes until death?' or accept that he has done what was asked of him and what he promised day one...looking up the table and in the conversation for Europe.
Sacking somebody for a marked improvement is just bad practice imo and Abramovic pumped a small fortune into Chelsea to be able to take those risks, which we've been docked points for doing on a much smaller scale.
I see no justification for sacking Moyes now and my guess is neither do TFG
ValBlue
Player Valuation: £35m
Touched a nerve? It’s just a phrase, a bit of hyperbole, didn’t realise everything would be taken so literally. This is what I come to expect from the ‘Comfy Cardigan Brigade’ (love that by the way), criticism over how we’ve botched Europe is dismissed as being dramatic or extreme. Similarly, the refusal to see that two things can be true at once. He’s done the minimum of what was expected, keep us safe. But when given a golden opportunity to really make a push for progress, old habits creep in and we bottle it. That’s absolutely fair game to be fuming over, especially when a lot of the scepticism around Moyes coming back to begin with was his ceiling. Out of the cups within the first rounds again too.
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
Chelsea are struggling to stay in the top ten, Spurs are in a relegation battle, Forest have just come out of one, Newcastle and Palace were nearly in one, Liverpool have lost more games than any time for the last 12 years
We’re apparently having a resurgent season and we still might not even finish top half.
MondayHater
Player Valuation: £8m
Don’t get me wrong, and I am not saying you’re wrong because football is all about opinions. But the last few seasons, at least two out of four we have stayed up on the last day. The fact we are even being talked about football in Europe (or at least were) is progress.
But don’t think that I am saying that Moyes is the answer for next season, if he went I wouldn’t be dispointed.
