2025/26 David Moyes

[Swartzy]

Was thinking about Lampard the other day and his recent success with Coventry.

I recall when he was appointed I wanted none of it as i didn't think he had the experience and his prior record wasn’t great. I do wonder if a few years on and the experience with us and subsequently there, might have moulded something a bit more compatible with us now.

There’s always the old adage ‘never go back’* and i don’t know the specifics of Coventry's success, ie have they been bank rolled compared to other Championship clubs etc, but whatever his limitations were with us then, there was an undeniable affinity.

*obvs should have been applied to Moyesasuarus-Rex.

No, Lampard had his time with us. Wish him well, glad he's done a good job with coventry and he should stay there for a bit to really test his game..

The most drab Crab football came with him, Obviously than carried on by Dyche..

I like the bloke but don't want to go back there.

 

[preposterousvelios]

The same trophy that Moyes won.
This is his first full season back after taking over the club a point outside the relegation place. What was your expectation? A go at Europe? We're 2 points off it.

Yeah and we would probably win conference league if we qualified. You have to play 2 half decent teams max to win conference league.

My expectation of Moyes was exactly what currently looks like happening. Good moments, bad moments, ultimately falling short in the big/crucial games. Of course I would love for us to pull off some suprise results and get Europe over the line this season, but its not looking likely. City this weekend, Moyes has beaten Guardiola once in 18 matches.

In other words yes Moyes doing almost exactly what I would expect and for me and a lot of people that's the issue. Everything depressingly familiar and predictable.

 

[Drico]

Was thinking about Lampard the other day and his recent success with Coventry.

I recall when he was appointed I wanted none of it as i didn't think he had the experience and his prior record wasn’t great. I do wonder if a few years on and the experience with us and subsequently there, might have moulded something a bit more compatible with us now.

There’s always the old adage ‘never go back’* and i don’t know the specifics of Coventry's success, ie have they been bank rolled compared to other Championship clubs etc, but whatever his limitations were with us then, there was an undeniable affinity.

*obvs should have been applied to Moyesasuarus-Rex.

Good Lord, no.

Fan-friendly Frank was, without doubt, the most incompetent manager of the last 30 years. Only Mike Walker rivals him. A PR con-man who has proven his level is the Championship.

He'll be relegated again next season. But at least it won't be with us.

"Enjoy the football."

 

[Gilbert..]

Yeah and we would probably win conference league if we qualified. You have to play 2 half decent teams max to win conference league.

My expectation of Moyes was exactly what currently looks like happening. Good moments, bad moments, ultimately falling short in the big/crucial games. Of course I would love for us to pull off some suprise results and get Europe over the line this season, but its not looking likely. City this weekend, Moyes has beaten Guardiola once in 18 matches.

In other words yes Moyes doing almost exactly what I would expect and for me and a lot of people that's the issue. Everything depressingly familiar and predictable.

Yeah i think thats about correct. Its the conference league. Palace are 13th in their domestic league and currently look like they might win it.
I do ask a lot what peoples expectations were this season from where we came from. As its pretty much happened from mine. No relegation talk at all. And a little go at Europe qualification. So i'm intrigued if people had more. Bar the obvious on here that if Moyes finished 2nd they'd be complaining it wasn't top.
My expectations for next season will change. And possibly change even more depending on who comes and goes.

 

[Lanolin]

Yeah i think thats about correct. Its the conference league. Palace are 13th in their domestic league and currently look like they might win it.
I do ask a lot what peoples expectations were this season from where we came from. As its pretty much happened from mine. No relegation talk at all. And a little go at Europe qualification. So i'm intrigued if people had more. Bar the obvious on here that if Moyes finished 2nd they'd be complaining it wasn't top.
My expectations for next season will change. And possibly change even more depending on who comes and goes.

It's similar to the situation with Dyche I suppose (i'm not comparing them as managers, just in terms of expectations). Everybody knew that we weren't actually any good, very few people thought we were a top 10 team who Dyche had down in 17th, it was just a fine margins thing where people thought we could do a bit better than we were and play a bit better football etc and so an absolutely enormous majority of the forum wanted him gone. The same applies now. I think we're probably roughly round about where most people thought we'd be but maybe at the lower end of it, and our cup performances were non-existent, the home form has been poor, the same old faces are being picked ahead of newer and younger players, and the results in 'big' games haven't been great so a lot of people aren't totally happy. It could hardly be any more normal to be honest, despite some people wanting to paint it as outrageous.

 

[JLW]

Yeah and we would probably win conference league if we qualified. You have to play 2 half decent teams max to win conference league.

My expectation of Moyes was exactly what currently looks like happening. Good moments, bad moments, ultimately falling short in the big/crucial games. Of course I would love for us to pull off some suprise results and get Europe over the line this season, but its not looking likely. City this weekend, Moyes has beaten Guardiola once in 18 matches.

In other words yes Moyes doing almost exactly what I would expect and for me and a lot of people that's the issue. Everything depressingly familiar and predictable.

He doesnt bring fear or excitement to a football club just exactly what you've said.

I think he still has a lot of people behind him because of where we have been, "We are not in relegation battle so great" Koff with that.
If you asked at the start of the season should we finish above Fulham Brentford Bournemouth Brighton, many would of said absolutely, we are 1 point above Sunderland. We still could finish above them all but i very much doubt it.

We have blew many opportunities this season because of his negative team selections and tactics.

We must say goodbye in the summer or expect exactly the same next season.

 

[Gilbert..]

It's similar to the situation with Dyche I suppose (i'm not comparing them as managers, just in terms of expectations). Everybody knew that we weren't actually any good, very few people thought we were a top 10 team who Dyche had down in 17th, it was just a fine margins thing where people thought we could do a bit better than we were and play a bit better football etc and so an absolutely enormous majority of the forum wanted him gone. The same applies now. I think we're probably roughly round about where most people thought we'd be but maybe at the lower end of it, and our cup performances were non-existent, the home form has been poor, the same old faces are being picked ahead of newer and younger players, and the results in 'big' games haven't been great so a lot of people aren't totally happy. It could hardly be any more normal to be honest, despite some people wanting to paint it as outrageous.

There is very little balance on here with half a dozen posters who have their narrative. For example. The home form drum will be banged consistently when it suits. What is not brought up is in the calender year in his return Everton picked up more points away than any other club. Equal with Arsenal. Dont wana know that one though.
But i'm more or less done with it. I'll join in with the Moyes thing on a slow day at work. Its been done to death.

 

[Evo2901]

Surely if he’s just gonna bring in a load of 30+ has beens from top 6 clubs we’re best just getting rid now? We desperately need a manager who’s going to mix youth and experience rather than be terrified about it.

 

[preposterousvelios]

Yeah i think thats about correct. Its the conference league. Palace are 13th in their domestic league and currently look like they might win it.
I do ask a lot what peoples expectations were this season from where we came from. As its pretty much happened from mine. No relegation talk at all. And a little go at Europe qualification. So i'm intrigued if people had more. Bar the obvious on here that if Moyes finished 2nd they'd be complaining it wasn't top.
My expectations for next season will change. And possibly change even more depending on who comes and goes.

I do understand the thinking that if we were offered the season we've had this time last year, most of us would have definitely taken it.

It's the context and the way this season has played out that makes it hard to swallow for me. As I said there's been good moments and there has been progress from where we were, but the season is ending with a stark reminder of the limitations and sub par mentality of this manager imo.

The first time around Moyes did well to overachieve on a shoe string budget and made us the best of the rest. This time around he has much stronger competition for those spots (5th, 6th, 7th) in the form of younger, more ambitious managers.

When Moyes first came he was the perfect man for the club at that time, not interested in rewriting history there. If you have a limited budget, a not great squad - Moyes will extract the absolute maximum potential from that set up and slowly build a team and identity of being hard, resilient bastards. That's not us anymore though, or rather it shouldn't be. We have the money to spend, we have a world class new stadium, and what should come with that is renewed hope and ambition. Moyes is just not the guy to deliver on that. I do think he's ultimately a good manager but its time for something fresh.

The time of being able to regularly finish in the top 8 while basically never ever getting results against the top sides has passed. Too many good teams in the league to get away with that these days.

 

[Gilbert..]

I do understand the thinking that if we were offered the season we've had this time last year, most of us would have definitely taken it.

It's the context and the way this season has played out that makes it hard to swallow for me. As I said there's been good moments and there has been progress from where we were, but the season is ending with a stark reminder of the limitations and sub par mentality of this manager imo.

The first time around Moyes did well to overachieve on a shoe string budget and made us the best of the rest. This time around he has much stronger competition for those spots (5th, 6th, 7th) in the form of younger, more ambitious managers.

When Moyes first came he was the perfect man for the club at that time, not interested in rewriting history there. If you have a limited budget, a not great squad - Moyes will extract the absolute maximum potential from that set up and slowly build a team and identity of being hard, resilient bastards. That's not us anymore though, or rather it shouldn't be. We have the money to spend, we have a world class new stadium, and what should come with that is renewed hope and ambition. Moyes is just not the guy to deliver on that. I do think he's ultimately a good manager but its time for something fresh.

The time of being able to regularly finish in the top 8 while basically never ever getting results against the top sides has passed. Too many good teams in the league to get away with that these days.

My quick response to that is i still dont think we're good enough. Dewsbury hall was a good signing. The rest? Meh.
And we've still no quality fullbacks or centre forwards.
We're a long way off it imo still.

 

[preposterousvelios]

My quick response to that is i still dont think we're good enough. Dewsbury hall was a good signing. The rest? Meh.
And we've still no quality fullbacks or centre forwards.
We're a long way off it imo still.

We've a lot of work to do i agree, but in terms of very good players I would say we have Pickford, Branthwaite, Garner, KDH, Ndiaye and Grealish. Obviously some injury issues there this season but thats still a strong base to build from.

Couple of decent fullbacks and a striker would be completely transformational, that's 3 players.

Not as far off being a decent side as it seems, imo. Also a chance that some of the young players we signed last summer actually turn out to be decent, if they ever get a chance to play.

 

[windymiller]

My quick response to that is i still dont think we're good enough. Dewsbury hall was a good signing. The rest? Meh.
And we've still no quality fullbacks or centre forwards.
We're a long way off it imo still.

You do realise that Moyes was in charge of transfers last summer and so is, at least in part, responsible for how we spent the £100m and elected not to sign any fullbacks?

 

[Gilbert..]

You do realise that Moyes was in charge of transfers last summer and so is, at least in part, responsible for how we spent the £100m and elected not to sign any fullbacks?

Im not convinced moyes brought Barry here. Or it was all on him. Everything about Barry is the opposite of what Moyes tends to go for.
I might be wrong. I dont think anyone on here knows tbh. Despite what they claim.

 

[RD2910]

You do realise that Moyes was in charge of transfers last summer and so is, at least in part, responsible for how we spent the £100m and elected not to sign any fullbacks?

I reckon it's far, far more complicated than that.

 

[Neiler]

My quick response to that is i still dont think we're good enough. Dewsbury hall was a good signing. The rest? Meh.
And we've still no quality fullbacks or centre forwards.
We're a long way off it imo still.

Team is prob were it should be based on quality TBH, good enough to beat some PL teams, not good enough to beat others, throw a few draws in there.

Based on luck could be a bit higher or a bit lower in variance.

But we are about at Par for what we have or maybe what we dont have is more the point.