2025/26 David Moyes

[Bluepablo]

In no way shape or form is Martinez a better manager than Moyes
He had a golden generation of Belgian players with 5 or 6 truly world class players and won SFA
He ruined a golden generation of Portuguese players as well

Martinez has/had attributes that Moyes hasn’t hence his ability to take Moyes team upwards in that first season & to win a trophy. He also has serious deficiencies in comparison with Moyes.

Moyes is a safe pair of hands who consistently achieves whereas Martinez goes for the improbable & occasionally over achieves.

Whose the better is dependent upon what you are looking for.

 

[davek]

I'll always have a soft spot for the silly f'er...

Justifiable.

 

[davek]

It's a great memory for sure Davek. A managers work is determined more by consistency of league finishes though. Look at Ange for example. A truly shocker of a coach because like Martinez he doesn't work on the fundamentals of the game so his sides whilst good to watch and streaky enough to win a cup will always be too easy to beat on too regular an occasion. You don't progress as a club with these kind of managers

Probably a good summary of the two philosophies.

 

[MikeH72]

The way that some people weigh in for Moyes when there's the slightest criticism of him is a bit cultish, tbh.

You can see how insecure they are around his credibility and reputation among Evertonians; they cant allow any deviation from the party line that he's a manager 'we're lucky to have'.

That's incredible to me. I can sort of understand that level of devotion for a really successful manager who's won a lot but gone off the boil, or even a maverick manager who forged their own way against the grain and garnered support for sticking to their footballing principles but weren't that competitively successful.

Moyes though is neither of those two things.

If calling out your lies and exposing you for being a WUM is cultish then I guess I’m in a cult.

 

[matty1878]

The way that some people weigh in for Moyes when there's the slightest criticism of him is a bit cultish, tbh.

You can see how insecure they are around his credibility and reputation among Evertonians; they cant allow any deviation from the party line that he's a manager 'we're lucky to have'.

That's incredible to me. I can sort of understand that level of devotion for a really successful manager who's won a lot but gone off the boil, or even a maverick manager who forged their own way against the grain and garnered support for sticking to their footballing principles but weren't that competitively successful.

Moyes though is neither of those two things.

Nobody is "insecure" about Moyes atall

Most fans I know and speak to are happy

Just not you Mr plazzy fan

 

[Bazlar]

That's the one! Was there a Simod Cup or did I imagine it?

Yes. Going back further there was also the Texaco Cup

 

[Marcus Kendall]

Yes. Going back further there was also the Texaco Cup

Before my time that one

 

[Bazlar]

Before my time that one

I thought so. Not many of us left

 

[Marcus Kendall]

I thought so. Not many of us left

still life in the old dog yet

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

Martinez has/had attributes that Moyes hasn’t hence his ability to take Moyes team upwards in that first season & to win a trophy. He also has serious deficiencies in comparison with Moyes.

Moyes is a safe pair of hands who consistently achieves whereas Martinez goes for the improbable & occasionally over achieves.

Whose the better is dependent upon what you are looking for.

Moyes is better on every metric.

 

[Neiler]

I'm sure it was the Simod.

I remember being gutted we lost to Palace in the Simod Cup or whatever it was called back in the day

Moyes etc.

 

[Benicetoourboys]

Moyes etc.

Is that AI?
I'm shocked, could have sworn it was The Simod I was there for goodness sake!
Sorry

 

[duncs pigeon]

Yes. Going back further there was also the Texaco Cup

And The Watney Cup

 

[Gwladys St. Glory]

Moyes is better on every metric.

I enjoyed Martinez' first season more than most of Moyes' but, looking back, I think that was ultimately down to Rom.

 

[Neiler]

Is that AI?
I'm shocked, could have sworn it was The Simod I was there for goodness sake!
Sorry

I forget more then I remember mate - had to double check myself, that was actually some Palace team in hindsight.