2025/26 David Moyes

[MikeH72]

It depends what you mean by taking it into account. Obviously we all know about what's been happening in recent years - I even said it in the post you're replying to - but when looking at season on season progression, no you don't need to look at how much we spent 5 years ago because that's irrelevant.

But you do need to look at what everyone else has spent, and factor in their progression as well. We are playing catch up on teams like Brentford in terms of building a squad, let alone the likes of Newcastle, Villa etc. they’re just the facts whether people like them or not.

 

[Seathestars]

No one listened and I bet a few smirked when I said Moyes out, Tudor in.

Look at Spurs now, 1 point from 12 and that was at Anfield.
If you know you just know.

 

[Lanolin]

But you do need to look at what everyone else has spent, and factor in their progression as well. We are playing catch up on teams like Brentford in terms of building a squad, let alone the likes of Newcastle, Villa etc. they’re just the facts whether people like them or not.

Of course, all I said was that we shouldn't totally downplay what we spent in the summer, not that we spent an inordinate amount and should be challenging for the title. In relative terms for the club and for midtable clubs generally, spending over £100m net and bringing in some expensive loans on top is a big window, that's the truth of it. Obviously if we want to be the elite we need a lot more than that, but I don't expect that to happen personally.

Your other post says every other team in the league will have a £100m+ net spend this summer by the way, that's what the post you're replying to is talking about being repeated. That absolutely will not be the case.

 

[Igrok]

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I hope Davey sends Mr Barry packing in the summer.

Delap would be a nice replacement.

It may be the opposite…Mr Barry will send Dave packing…

 

[Rooney_Tunes]

Is Alcaraz still injured?

 

[MikeH72]

Of course, all I said was that we shouldn't totally downplay what we spent in the summer, not that we spent an inordinate amount and should be challenging for the title. In relative terms for the club and for midtable clubs generally, spending over £100m net and bringing in some expensive loans on top is a big window, that's the truth of it. Obviously if we want to be the elite we need a lot more than that, but I don't expect that to happen personally.

Your other post says every other team in the league will have a £100m+ net spend this summer by the way, that's what the post you're replying to is talking about being repeated. That absolutely will not be the case.

As Nymz said, I don’t pay any attention to net spend figures because even that is all dependent on what you’ve spent and who you’ve bought previously. The thing that kept Newcastle’s net spend down last summer was the fact they sold a player for £130m, but they spent about £65m to bring that player in a few years ago. Do you see us spending £65m on a player any time soon? Because that’s the level we’re looking to compete with. If we sold Branthwaite last summer for £70m our net spend would’ve been lower, but our performances would hardly have been different because he’s been out injured all season anyway. Net spend is just about book balancing and complying with financial rules and not relevant to the improvement of a squad.

£100m is the absolute bare minimum amount we need to spend in the summer if we want to have any chance of improving on our current league position, when I look at the teams around us and what they’ve spent/will spend.

 

[pfim]

It depends what you mean by taking it into account. Obviously we all know about what's been happening in recent years - I even said it in the post you're replying to - but when looking at season on season progression, no you don't need to look at how much we spent 5 years ago because that's irrelevant.

I won't try to do an in depth analysis of transfer dealings, but we had about 10 million of outgoings even though we lost big contributors (in minutes, not necessarily quality) in DCL, Doucoure, Lindstrom, Harrison, Young. We lost two keepers so needed replacements.

The squad was thin to start the window, which obviously necessitated a large positive net spend but also means that many of our acquisitions were replacements rather than acquiring players to challenge incumbents (building a squad).

I'm sure that the club wanted to upgrade at LB, for instance, but didn't have enough strikers, attacking players and goalkeepers to even consider it.

It was a unique circumstance where at the beginning of the window, it wasn't clear we had a starting 11 of first team players. We won't go into this summer in the same situation. We should be looking to upgrade current starters, under contract, rather than filling holes in the XI this summer.

The closest thing it could be compared to is a promoted club that is trying to improve it's squad. It's not the same, promoted clubs typically don't have players like Pickford, Branthwaite etc to start with. But we were trying to complete a starting XI that could compete in the PL.

It's both remarkable that we're in 8th, and at the same time a bit frustrating that only two of the acquisitions have had a positive impact on that result (and one for only half the season), so while I share some of that frustration, we're still in 8th and if we can maintain or improve that position, it will pay dividends this summer and next season.

 

[blueboy72]

It's all relative. For Everton, in terms of recent history, it's a huge amount of money. In terms of the league as a whole, when you look at what others net spend was, it's still quite a lot of money. The money we spent in the summer wasn't the sort of figure that was going to catapult us into the title race, but we shouldn't downplay it too much, over £100m net spend isn't to be sniffed at and I doubt it's something we'll be repeating very often.

Until this summer

 

[Lanolin]

As Nymz said, I don’t pay any attention to net spend figures because even that is all dependent on what you’ve spent and who you’ve bought previously. The thing that kept Newcastle’s net spend down last summer was the fact they sold a player for £130m, but they spent about £65m to bring that player in a few years ago. Do you see us spending £65m on a player any time soon? Because that’s the level we’re looking to compete with. If we sold Branthwaite last summer for £70m our net spend would’ve been lower, but our performances would hardly have been different because he’s been out injured all season anyway. Net spend is just about book balancing and complying with financial rules and not relevant to the improvement of a squad.

£100m is the absolute bare minimum amount we need to spend in the summer if we want to have any chance of improving on our current league position, when I look at the teams around us and what they’ve spent/will spend.

And as I said to Nymzee, i'm not suggesting net spend is the only relevant metric or the ultimate way of looking at it, i'm just saying it has to be one of the things you take into account if you want to discuss the spending. Just using the net spend is daft, but so is just using the headline figure and repeatedly claiming 13 teams spent more like some posters do every single day. There is context to it, that was the point.

My post on this wasn't really related to whether we're over or underperforming, I was just responding to someone saying they didn't understand why people kept saying £110m like it was a lot. I'm just saying relatively speaking it is a lot, that's why people say it. There's no suggestion that it's a gargantuan amount of money and should have been enough to have us top of the league (although i'm starting to think that's what it's coming up as on people's screens based on the replies) just that it isn't that surprising to see fans talking about it because it's a lot of money for us. There aren't many fan bases who would all just stay silent and not comment at all if they bought the 2nd or 3rd most expensive player they've ever had and he wasn't even getting off the bench most weeks, it's always going to be something that is brought up for discussion.

 

[MikeH72]

And as I said to Nymzee, i'm not suggesting net spend is the only relevant metric or the ultimate way of looking at it, i'm just saying it has to be one of the things you take into account if you want to discuss the spending. Just using the net spend is daft, but so is just using the headline figure and repeatedly claiming 13 teams spent more like some posters do every single day. There is context to it, that was the point.

My post on this wasn't really related to whether we're over or underperforming, I was just responding to someone saying they didn't understand why people kept saying £110m like it was a lot. I'm just saying relatively speaking it is a lot, that's why people say it. There's no suggestion that it's a gargantuan amount of money and should have been enough to have us top of the league (although i'm starting to think that's what it's coming up as on people's screens based on the replies) just that it isn't that surprising to see fans talking about it because it's a lot of money for us. There aren't many fan bases who would all just stay silent and not comment at all if they bought the 2nd or 3rd most expensive player they've ever had and he wasn't even getting off the bench most weeks, it's always going to be something that is brought up for discussion.

Fair enough, agree with pretty much all of that.

What I will say is I think the money we spent last summer could and should have been spent better. I don’t think we’ve got value for money out of a single signing apart from KDH. I’ve been consistent in my opinion that we had a poor window and that’s why I think we need to spend the bare minimum amount again this coming summer to correct it. With the recruitment team being fully in place since September there’s no excuses.

 

[degsy]

110 was wasted.

At best not spent wisely

 

[pfim]

And as I said to Nymzee, i'm not suggesting net spend is the only relevant metric or the ultimate way of looking at it, i'm just saying it has to be one of the things you take into account if you want to discuss the spending. Just using the net spend is daft, but so is just using the headline figure and repeatedly claiming 13 teams spent more like some posters do every single day. There is context to it, that was the point.

My post on this wasn't really related to whether we're over or underperforming, I was just responding to someone saying they didn't understand why people kept saying £110m like it was a lot. I'm just saying relatively speaking it is a lot, that's why people say it. There's no suggestion that it's a gargantuan amount of money and should have been enough to have us top of the league (although i'm starting to think that's what it's coming up as on people's screens based on the replies) just that it isn't that surprising to see fans talking about it because it's a lot of money for us. There aren't many fan bases who would all just stay silent and not comment at all if they bought the 2nd or 3rd most expensive player they've ever had and he wasn't even getting off the bench most weeks, it's always going to be something that is brought up for discussion.

I don't think it's a lot. And I wouldn't base that necessarily on what others have spent, but on what Everton have spent in the past 5 years. We were not replenishing our assets for quite some time, there needed to be a correction at some point. Which window it happened is just timing.

 

[Lanolin]

Fair enough, agree with pretty much all of that.

What I will say is I think the money we spent last summer could and should have been spent better. I don’t think we’ve got value for money out of a single signing apart from KDH. I’ve been consistent in my opinion that we had a poor window and that’s why I think we need to spend the bare minimum amount again this coming summer to correct it. With the recruitment team being fully in place since September there’s no excuses.

And I agree, if we want to push past where we are we need to invest properly and bring in the right players both for the short and long terms, and we need to properly develop the ones we already have to maximise what they can offer. Personally I always thought 8th was a very achievable aim as long as we we were no longer completely hamstrung financially. I know some people like to say nobody could ever have psossibly imagined that we'd be where we are but i've always been consistent in saying the margins are fine and it's not that big a leap to go from 12th/13th to 8th/9th in this league, teams slide up and down those positions every single year. Pushing on again from that is a totally different thing though, and i'm yet to be totally convinced that TFG have much of an appetite to do it.

 

[Lanolin]

I don't think it's a lot. And I wouldn't base that necessarily on what others have spent, but on what Everton have spent in the past 5 years. We were not replenishing our assets for quite some time, there needed to be a correction at some point. Which window it happened is just timing.

But that's literally the whole point? We haven't been spending that money so it seems like a lot to people because it's way more than they're used to, that's why they're talking about it. You're just hammering home the point while suggesting you're refuting it.

 

[matty1878]

110 was wasted.

well it’s not is it