Kevsleftpeg
Player Valuation: £35m
So you cherry pick one good performance by an average player against a good side and expect Moyes to replicate that. Gotcha
No, it's an FA cup final, I expect us to try, which we didn't.
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
It’s not really a debate that’s settled by game to game results
It’s a question of where you think we are on a hopefully upward curve and what manager is needed for the job at hand.
Dyche was the correct appointment in Jan 23 to keep us above the dotted line until the club ownership changed.
Moyes was the correct appointment to move us up the table and provide some immediate football leadership when Thelwell exited and a new team was being put in place.
There’s probably three schools of thought now, one which sees the squad as still not really good enough to move us away from a relegation battle for good and therefore want another year of ‘stability’ before another manager comes is, one which sees Moyes as a manager capable of further progression and winning trophies if given the right financial backing, then there’s one that sees Moyes as never being able to get across the line and mid table this season is enough stability to hand to another manager.
TBH I don’t really know what camp I’m in. I look at Keane Gana McNeil Mykolenko all still in the team. and not a decent striker or fullback to be seen, and worry that they and others have form for just throwing in relegation level performances when it suits. Spurs and Leicester before them really are stark reminders that even decent squads can go down once tools have been downed and some of that lot above have form when they’re not being micromanaged by pragmatic defensive managers. I would like to see the squad have enough firepower in it so you could be assured that if we ever got a managerial change wrong that the squad would have enough goals for a new manager to pick it up and we’d be ok. It’s certainly not there yet.
In his first tenure with us I certainly thought he could win trophies and take us into Europe if he was given more financial backing as he was working miracles on a shoestring. So part of me is tempted to go all in on him in the summer, contract extension, big war chest and see if he can iron out the problems from this season and push us on. If we’re in the conference league why couldn’t he win it again given his experience?
Then there’s another part of me which thinks I’ve watched him fail to get over the line with us so many times that maybe it’s better just to hire the best manager we can like Villa and Palace did and give them the transfer funds.
I don’t think anything we see this season will answer that to be honest. Wouldn’t surprise me if we finished strongly and qualified for Europe, wouldn’t surprise me if we finished 12th, either of those doesn’t change the decision for the Friedkins this summer really.
It’s a question of where you think we are on a hopefully upward curve and what manager is needed for the job at hand.
Dyche was the correct appointment in Jan 23 to keep us above the dotted line until the club ownership changed.
Moyes was the correct appointment to move us up the table and provide some immediate football leadership when Thelwell exited and a new team was being put in place.
There’s probably three schools of thought now, one which sees the squad as still not really good enough to move us away from a relegation battle for good and therefore want another year of ‘stability’ before another manager comes is, one which sees Moyes as a manager capable of further progression and winning trophies if given the right financial backing, then there’s one that sees Moyes as never being able to get across the line and mid table this season is enough stability to hand to another manager.
TBH I don’t really know what camp I’m in. I look at Keane Gana McNeil Mykolenko all still in the team. and not a decent striker or fullback to be seen, and worry that they and others have form for just throwing in relegation level performances when it suits. Spurs and Leicester before them really are stark reminders that even decent squads can go down once tools have been downed and some of that lot above have form when they’re not being micromanaged by pragmatic defensive managers. I would like to see the squad have enough firepower in it so you could be assured that if we ever got a managerial change wrong that the squad would have enough goals for a new manager to pick it up and we’d be ok. It’s certainly not there yet.
In his first tenure with us I certainly thought he could win trophies and take us into Europe if he was given more financial backing as he was working miracles on a shoestring. So part of me is tempted to go all in on him in the summer, contract extension, big war chest and see if he can iron out the problems from this season and push us on. If we’re in the conference league why couldn’t he win it again given his experience?
Then there’s another part of me which thinks I’ve watched him fail to get over the line with us so many times that maybe it’s better just to hire the best manager we can like Villa and Palace did and give them the transfer funds.
I don’t think anything we see this season will answer that to be honest. Wouldn’t surprise me if we finished strongly and qualified for Europe, wouldn’t surprise me if we finished 12th, either of those doesn’t change the decision for the Friedkins this summer really.
Gilbert..
Player Valuation: £60m
And done really well off it. Decent manager. Clearly loves the Europa league. But he's not stupid. He wasnt going from Paris Saint Germain Arsenal and Villarreal to a relegation fight with Aston Villa. He knew Gerrard was making a pigs ear of a squad he could get something out of. And probably the promise of funds.
One thing I have enjoyed this season is that there’s basically been no drama or controversy on or off field all year.
Kevsleftpeg
Player Valuation: £35m
Yes - we scored early by chance and then bricked it, hoping their team of stars won't even try to score for 90 minutes. Failed.You don't think we tried? Ok then.
The exact thing Moyes tried against Fiorentina in the European final, except it worked there.
You CANNOT play for a 0:0 in an important game.
Kevsleftpeg
Player Valuation: £35m
So the disparity in quality between the two squads and benches means nothing? Gotcha.
Proud Moyesttes here.
I believe we win tomorrow, but maybe Arsenal will have too much for us. After that we go the season unbeaten.
David will be given a 5 year extension and I can't wait.
cHeErs tEd
Yes, it's a cup final you dope.
If every underdog in a cup final went with your mentality legitimately all cup competitions would be VERY boring.
pfim
Player Valuation: £50m
I think some people here miss that.
Hinchcliffe's Corner
Player Valuation: £50m
Good to see Moyes has always been giving new players a chance. Quality manager.
It's been really pleasing. Whether you like him or not, Moyes has shifted the discussion firmly away from relegation and back towards Europe.
Their bench had Ivanovic, Belletti, Ballack, and Kalou whilst ours had Carlo Nash, Dan Gosling, James Vaughan and Jose Baxter.
The fact there’s so many that think we need to change a manager that has us sat in 8th, shows just how much he’s changed things.
Up until this season we were constantly worried about relegation. But this man has already given a large section of our fan base ideas way above our station.
David William Moyes OBE.
Up until this season we were constantly worried about relegation. But this man has already given a large section of our fan base ideas way above our station.
David William Moyes OBE.
