2025/26 David Moyes

Baz ?

I was just saying It's how I looked at it from the start.

Yes Moyes has final say, But the club will have pushed the approach we our looking at for the long term future, not for the next 24months.

A bit of a suits for all window..
He gets a few he wants
They get a few they want.

With 12months left, this summer will probably go more on their profile,

The George loan/option suits their profile.

The outcome of the Grealish scenario will probably paint the picture..
You replied to post referring to Toffee TV
The guy is called Baz on toffee tv
 
Last season we were 13th; the season before that with deducted points added in we'd have finished 11th-12th.

That suggests to me with the benefit of £110M in spending that we should expect to be where we are now.

There's no great leap forward here away from relegation. Just the improvement you'd expect by adding quality like Grealish / KDH to talent like Ndiaye and the very decent backline we had.

We were 16th and still falling when he came in this time. We're nowhere near that now. The backline has also been missing its best talent all season, till now, still has a CB playing at fullback and we've probably seen the last of Grealish. The frontline options are footballing featherweights.... at best. So we're far from a finished product.
 
We were 16th and still falling when he came in this time. We're nowhere near that now. The backline has also been missing its best talent all season, till now, still has a CB playing at fullback and we've probably seen the last of Grealish. The frontline options are footballing featherweights.... at best. So we're far from a finished product.

My point was that Moyes inherited a squad that was nowhere near relegation level of quality. Dyche last season understandably had lost his way after shouldering the responsibility of saving a great club from oblivion single-handedly the previous season and a half; Moyes knew the ropes here and we ended up where I'd have expected us to end up last season: the position we had the season before that one.

We saw investment last summer and better quality brought in and currently we are just top half - consistent with having spent so much relatively speaking for us.

If Moyes has shifted the dial, it's not by much.
 
The "best league" in the world it's advertised as,I've thought for years in most seasons there are only usually two teams who are head and shoulders above the rest,the others are bang average most weeks,this season I don't even see two teams,City are all over the place at times and Arsenal are certainly not incredible.
English clubs not one at the moment has been knocked out of Europe must say something
 
My point was that Moyes inherited a squad that was nowhere near relegation level of quality. Dyche last season understandably had lost his way after shouldering the responsibility of saving a great club from oblivion single-handedly the previous season and a half; Moyes knew the ropes here and we ended up where I'd have expected us to end up last season: the position we had the season before that one.

We saw investment last summer and better quality brought in and currently we are just top half - consistent with having spent so much relatively speaking for us.

If Moyes has shifted the dial, it's not by much.

I'd say 16th is pretty close to relegation quality, and that moving from 16th to 8th is a pretty seismic shift tbh. I don't think many realistically expected us to be much better than that by this point. Several areas still need addressing, we're still bottom 3 in net spend for the past 5yrs and 14th in terms of squad value (even with that little spree).
 
I'd say 16th is pretty close to relegation quality, and that moving from 16th to 8th is a pretty seismic shift tbh. I don't think many realistically expected us to be much better than that by this point. Several areas still need addressing, we're still bottom 3 in net spend for the past 5yrs and 14th in terms of squad value (even with that little spree).

If we'd been relegation quality last season (and the season before that when we piled up 48 points suggests not) Moyes would never have been able to come in and get us safe right off the bat. We were 16th and needed a change of direction in leadership, we weren't a relegation outfit.

As for 8th: yes, not to be sniffed at, but equally what any supporter would expect given you inject anther £110M worth of talent into a squad that had got 48 points and nearly up to midtable the last two seasons.

Let's see where we are after the last game. I suspect we'll have about 58 points - which would represent a 10 point advance from where the existing squad had plateaued at.
 
I'd say 16th is pretty close to relegation quality, and that moving from 16th to 8th is a pretty seismic shift tbh. I don't think many realistically expected us to be much better than that by this point. Several areas still need addressing, we're still bottom 3 in net spend for the past 5yrs and 14th in terms of squad value (even with that little spree).
Been a strange year. Quality wise there hasn’t been much different between 8th and 16th at times. So tight - I’m glad to an extent we’ve had an experienced head like Moyes here who has ensured we have fallen the right side of tight scorelines more often than not.

Performance wise i think we have been poor more often than not and haven’t quite transitioned to a different way of playing as quickly as I hoped - most of that due to a few key positions not having the quality required.

But then - who can argue with 8th place in February in reality after the mess of the last 5/6 years. My main worry is they get the recruitment wrong in the summer. I think KDH has been one of the best signings we have made in a long time…Aznou/Dibling/rohl/barry has left a lot to be desired, but have age on their side.

Think we do have a core of young players now in the squad - I hope we sign some ready made players in a few positions which I think could kick us on again.

A core of Pickford, branthwaite, garner, Ndiaye, KDH…work around that quality and it’s not far off.
 
Some clubs have many hundreds of millions on the bench.
Very true but we can’t bemoan gaps in the squad when what money is available is being spent on players who don’t play, seemingly under any conditions.
It’s either poor recruitment or poor management, but gaps in the squad are at least partially due to money being frittered away on players he won’t play.
 

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