2025/26 David Moyes

[mikel_88]

I'm just pointing out that if we are moaning about Moyes transfer business and suggesting the players he wanted were KDH and Grealish then I'd say he did a far better job picking players to improve the team than anyone who proposed Barry, Dibling, Aznou, or Rohl.

He did agree on rohl because was last jan we wanted him, i dont really hate the deals that we have done just didnt get enough players in like another striker and ofc fb.

 

[windymiller]

Dyche has gone, boys. We can try to forget and move on.

This thread is for a ginger, safety first manager now.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Was there ever any confirmation on when his contract runs?

Recall the club never mentioned it when they confirmed it?

 

[Saint Domingo]

You said they were never keeping him. My point was you wouldn't have blamed the Friedkin's for sacking a manager who had only won 3 in 19 when they walked in, but the fact is they didn't sack him immediately.

You don't know he was always going at the end of that contract for a fact. Nobody does.

If he was a better man and didn't come begging for a pay off and instead focused on the job he was asked to do and made a success of it then maybe he would have got an extension.

We will never know because Dyche made his choice to give up at Everton. The possibility was there, he just didn't have belief in himself and his ability to make that happen.

Him and Moyes operated with squads under identical conditions. OK Moyes got a loan player in that's the only difference to the squads.

One of them did very well with the squad they had and the other gave up and said he couldn't do better than 16th.

Can’t even go one sentence without contradicting yourself. Even if you just take the playing squads in isolation, which would be a crazy thing to do in and of itself, Moyes still had a better squad with Alcaraz in it as shown by the impact he made in final games.

Bit to completely ignore the macro picture of change in ownership, previous years coming through points deductions, half the squad out of cotnecat at end of season, manager in final year of a contract not being renewed. Your wilful ignorance of this says everything about your argument.

 

[Nymzee]

Was there ever any confirmation on when his contract runs?

Recall the club never mentioned it when they confirmed it?

Think it was reported everywhere 2.5 years

 

[Saint Domingo]

We had that change to do things differently than Moyes and hired Martinez.

That let us playing a different way and it was successful at first but found out, and it required investment to upgrade to better players who could do what was needed but more consistently. We had no cash to throw at that but we do now.

Trying to play football can never be wrong, but if you do try that you better have either the backing in the market to bring quality players in or have a fantastic group of home grown players and a great scouting system to do it on the cheap.

There’s a lot of lessons Everton can learn from Martinez’s first season and how we moved way from them in the following seasons and haven’t really ever picked them back up.

Pace across the whole team - every member of that lineup apart from Barry has pace to burn. High lines, pressure in midfield, counter attack goals, all possible because we had players who could shift.

Balance in build up - we actually attacked evenly down both sides with Coleman getting forward much more than usual. Prior to it and since we’ve had a unique obsession with building attacks solely through a left back.

Technique - every player could handle the ball in possession, there were no fat touches

Tactical subs - the amount of games in that first season that were level on 60 mins and then one of Osman Pienaar or Naismith came off the bench to win it with a different profile than the player they replaced. We weren’t scared to sub off Barkley or Lukaku either when they weren’t working.

Set piece prominence - loon at how many direct free kicks we scored that season


We’ve moved away from most of these ever since. Hoarded slower players, set subs like for like at pre-planned times, build up on one side mostly, keep playing players like Gueye Keane McNeil Docuoure Calvert Lewin with terrible touch, and we now have no one who can hit a set piece let alone score a decent free kick.

 

[Blast_of_Cannock]

Was there ever any confirmation on when his contract runs?

Recall the club never mentioned it when they confirmed it?

Job for life.

 

[davek]

There’s a lot of lessons Everton can learn from Martinez’s first season and how we moved way from them in the following seasons and haven’t really ever picked them back up.

Pace across the whole team - every member of that lineup apart from Barry has pace to burn. High lines, pressure in midfield, counter attack goals, all possible because we had players who could shift.

Balance in build up - we actually attacked evenly down both sides with Coleman getting forward much more than usual. Prior to it and since we’ve had a unique obsession with building attacks solely through a left back.

Technique - every player could handle the ball in possession, there were no fat touches

Tactical subs - the amount of games in that first season that were level on 60 mins and then one of Osman Pienaar or Naismith came off the bench to win it with a different profile than the player they replaced. We weren’t scared to sub off Barkley or Lukaku either when they weren’t working.

Set piece prominence - loon at how many direct free kicks we scored that season


We’ve moved away from most of these ever since. Hoarded slower players, set subs like for like at pre-planned times, build up on one side mostly, keep playing players like Gueye Keane McNeil Docuoure Calvert Lewin with terrible touch, and we now have no one who can hit a set piece let alone score a decent free kick.

I agree.

Pace especially away from home did the trick for us on a number of occasions: I remember the move we had away at Newcastle when we ripped them apart with Barkley rounding it off IIRC.

Pacy players are very important but so too is trusting all players to play: treating them like they're capable of doing more than the basics and being competitive. Moyes will never do that. He mistrusts players and he's very cautious about attacking play that can leave you exposed in transitions.

We need - as we did when he left before - someone to come in and be handed a bit of investment to add a couple of more faces and get this team playing.

Dont bank on Moyes ever getting the message because he never will and he's not interested in that in any case. Moyes is about Moyes.

 

[chippy1722]

The irony in here is laughable, people slating Moyes and somehow linking us to ‘better’ managers because we are challenging for Europe. Yet not giving any credit to the man who turned us from a relegation team to contenders in half a season.
Any manager with half a brain would be suspicious of our fans.

 

[davek]

The irony in here is laughable, people slating Moyes and somehow linking us to ‘better’ managers because we are challenging for Europe. Yet not giving any credit to the man who turned us from a relegation team to contenders in half a season.
Any manager with half a brain would be suspicious of our fans.

It's a terrible league and we spent a lot of cash in the summer to get to mid table.

That's not anything like a success; it's just a couple of rungs up.

This team we have now should and could be at least 6/7 points better off than it is and really putting pressure on the euro spots.

Moyes is not doing a good job this season; last season he got the job done and let them off the leash a bit, but this season he's back to where he wants to be - conservative and lacking any ambition.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

The irony in here is laughable, people slating Moyes and somehow linking us to ‘better’ managers because we are challenging for Europe. Yet not giving any credit to the man who turned us from a relegation team to contenders in half a season.
Any manager with half a brain would be suspicious of our fans.

Hes done well so far, but the last 2 seasons, points earned wise, we've earned the points to be closer to europe than relegation. We then spent a few bob.

As a fan base we seem desperate to use relegation as the benchmark.

"Be careful what you wish for"

 

[Lanolin]

But if there was anything to that argument at all wouldn't we plummeting down the league like Dyche did by now?

No? You know he’s got 18 months left on his deal right? You should have been able to work that out from my post even if you somehow didn’t know it to be honest, but nevermind.

The fact is we will never know what they intended had Dyche not come begging for a pay off claiming he couldn't do more with these players.

What we do know is they didn't sack him immediately which suggest they were fine with the status quo. Whether he would have been given a new contract if he turned it around instead of throwing the towel in we will never know for certain.

Like I said, I think that’s totally disingenuous. I’m not saying it to defend dyche, I’m just saying I genuinely don’t think anyone ever seriously thought that dyche was going to be kept on (and it seems fairly obvious thst that was part of the whole conversation with the friedkins that you so love to mention, but again, nevermind).

 

[Efcjake]

Hes done well so far, but the last 2 seasons, points earned wise, we've earned the points to be closer to europe than relegation. We then spent a few bob.

As a fan base we seem desperate to use relegation as the benchmark.

"Be careful what you wish for"

We then spent a few bob... replacing 9 players that left for free. Is a bit that constantly gets dropped off.

And the "few bob" we spent was less than 12 other teams in the league. Most of which already had better squads than us.

They would all likely be favourites for Europe ahead of us then.

 

[Efcjake]

No? You know he’s got 18 months left on his deal right? You should have been able to work that out from my post even if you somehow didn’t know it to be honest, but nevermind.

Like I said, I think that’s totally disingenuous. I’m not saying it to defend dyche, I’m just saying I genuinely don’t think anyone ever seriously thought that dyche was going to be kept on (and it seems fairly obvious thst that was part of the whole conversation with the friedkins that you so love to mention, but again, nevermind).

If he had turned that squad around like Moyes did, with the only difference being the addition of Alcaraz, do you think they would have extended him or not?

Yes, we can all assume the Dyche that had us in 16th wouldn't be extended, but if Dyche achieved 12th place and put up the record Moyes did I would imagine they would strongly consider extending him because they'd look very silly not to wouldn't they?

 

[Lanolin]

If he had turned that squad around like Moyes did, with the only difference being the addition of Alcaraz, do you think they would have extended him or not?

Yes, we can all assume the Dyche that had us in 16th wouldn't be extended, but if Dyche achieved 12th place and put up the record Moyes did I would imagine they would strongly consider extending him because they'd look very silly not to wouldn't they?

Genuinely I doubt it. They’re new owners and I think they would always have wanted to put their own stamp on it, they’ll have known dyche wasn’t particularly popular with fans and his football is awful to watch, we’ll never know for sure but I honestly can’t see any realistic scenario where they kept him on (I’m not counting us finishing 7th or him completely changing his style of play as being realistic). Again, ive got no interest in defending dyche or even discussing him really, i was just commenting on what seemed to me like a fairly obvious bad faith argument.