2025/26 David Moyes

[davek]

It's this exact scenario that makes me think we should part ways with Moyes in the summer. We saw the effect that it had with Dyche, and when Moyes was at West Ham, and now with Glasner at Palace; having uncertainty (or certainty of leaving) around the manager does seem to have a big effect on performance so i'm not overly keen on the idea of us just looking to keep Moyes until the end of his contract. That leaves us with 2 options, either twist in the summer or extend his deal and keep him here longer term. I've been a fan of his for a long time and there's no doubt he's done a good job at getting us safe last year and in a decent enough position this year, but I honestly just don't think I can face the prospect of committing long term to the same type of boring pragmatic football we've been anachronistically wedded to for so long. I don't advocate changing because he's doing a bad job, just because I think at some point we have to change the way we do things and if not this summer, when.

We had that change to do things differently than Moyes and hired Martinez.

That let us playing a different way and it was successful at first but found out, and it required investment to upgrade to better players who could do what was needed but more consistently. We had no cash to throw at that but we do now.

Trying to play football can never be wrong, but if you do try that you better have either the backing in the market to bring quality players in or have a fantastic group of home grown players and a great scouting system to do it on the cheap.

 

[MikeH72]

If we go on a poor run of form now then I’ve decided that it’s because the players know Moyes is going in the summer and have collectively decided to down tools. Nothing that happens from this point on can be attributed to Moyes, unless it’s positive of course in which case it will be 100% down to him. Glad the ground rules have been established in advance.

 

[brittcop1]

Lots and lots of squad options for Moyes to utilise now, he has always been at his best when he is forced into playing players in their correct positions who wouldn’t normally get a sniff. It’s going to be interesting to see how, and if, he utilises all these players at his disposal until the end of the season instead of shoehorning his favourites in at every opportunity.

Good point...when he has choices he almost always plays it "safe" ....lets see.

 

[Moomin]

If we go on a poor run of form now then I’ve decided that it’s because the players know Moyes is going in the summer and have collectively decided to down tools. Nothing that happens from this point on can be attributed to Moyes, unless it’s positive of course in which case it will be 100% down to him. Glad the ground rules have been established in advance.

The Ultimate excuse for him.

 

[brittcop1]

The Ultimate excuse for him.

" didnt get the backing I was promised in the transfer windows" had he done so we would have had Soucek, Ward Prowse and Danny Ings on the books

 

[Swartzy]

I have nothing but respect for all the players, from Keane Tarks and Mcneil down to Adzou and Dibling. They have all achieved something most of us could never dream of doing. I just dont thing here in 2026, Moyes is the man to get the best out of the squad, thats all.

Pop back and Look at the team i laid out, it wasn't a team of the past, it was a team of the future which also didn't have a named manager on it.

I think you obviously misunderstood the post, and pinned me to a group for it..

 

[brittcop1]

Pop back and Look at the team i laid out, it wasn't a team of the past, it was a team of the future which also didn't have a named manager on it.

I think you obviously misunderstood the post, and pinned me to a group for it..

I apologize, i think you are right. TBH I think the summer window showed we have two possibly competing recruitment strategies...Moyes wanting the likes of Grielish and KDH and the " commitee" taking gambles based on metrics and algorithims on the likes of Adzou, Dibling and Rohl and to an extent Barry...

 

[Efcjake]

They were never keeping Dyche. Grow up.

Would you keep a manager that's won 3 in 19?

 

[Efcjake]

It's this exact scenario that makes me think we should part ways with Moyes in the summer. We saw the effect that it had with Dyche, and when Moyes was at West Ham, and now with Glasner at Palace; having uncertainty (or certainty of leaving) around the manager does seem to have a big effect on performance so i'm not overly keen on the idea of us just looking to keep Moyes until the end of his contract. That leaves us with 2 options, either twist in the summer or extend his deal and keep him here longer term. I've been a fan of his for a long time and there's no doubt he's done a good job at getting us safe last year and in a decent enough position this year, but I honestly just don't think I can face the prospect of committing long term to the same type of boring pragmatic football we've been anachronistically wedded to for so long. I don't advocate changing because he's doing a bad job, just because I think at some point we have to change the way we do things and if not this summer, when.

But if there was anything to that argument at all wouldn't we plummeting down the league like Dyche did by now?

 

[Efcjake]

I think the commonly held belief is that they wanted to wait until the summer to make changes, which makes a lot of sense. Ideally Dyche would have muddled through to the end of the year and we'd have had a proper fresh start, but results were bad and Dyche apparently believed he wasn't able to get any more out of them (again, I think this is fairly well established as an issue within the game when there's a belief a manager won't be around long term) so they decided to make the switch earlier. Personally I think it's disingenuous to suggest there was a serious chance of Dyche being kept on beyond the end of last season, I don't think that even crossed most people's minds from the day he was appointed to the day he left.

The fact is we will never know what they intended had Dyche not come begging for a pay off claiming he couldn't do more with these players.

What we do know is they didn't sack him immediately which suggest they were fine with the status quo. Whether he would have been given a new contract if he turned it around instead of throwing the towel in we will never know for certain.

 

[Efcjake]

I apologize, i think you are right. TBH I think the summer window showed we have two possibly competing recruitment strategies...Moyes wanting the likes of Grielish and KDH and the " commitee" taking gambles based on metrics and algorithims on the likes of Adzou, Dibling and Rohl and to an extent Barry...

And which ones have turned out?

 

[Saint Domingo]

Would you keep a manager that's won 3 in 19?

Hang on you were just basing a whole argument around them keeping him

He was always going either immediately upon the changeover or at the end of his contract. Everyone knew that, and I don’t think anyone on here was even seriously suggesting a contract extension at all. The job post takeover was different to the one Dyche was brought in to do under Moshiri.

When any future manager has gone through two points deductions; 4 windows of sell to profit transfer policy, and is operating under an absent board that could be changed at any moment for new owners, in the final year of a contract he knows isn’t being renewed, then you can argue about equal footing.

 

[Efcjake]

Hang on you were just basing a whole argument around them keeping him

He was always going either immediately upon the changeover or at the end of his contract. Everyone knew that, and I don’t think anyone on here was even seriously suggesting a contract extension at all. The job post takeover was different to the one Dyche was brought in to do under Moshiri.

When any future manager has gone through two points deductions; 4 windows of sell to profit transfer policy, and is operating under an absent board that could be changed at any moment for new owners, in the final year of a contract he knows isn’t being renewed, then you can argue about equal footing.

You said they were never keeping him. My point was you wouldn't have blamed the Friedkin's for sacking a manager who had only won 3 in 19 when they walked in, but the fact is they didn't sack him immediately.

You don't know he was always going at the end of that contract for a fact. Nobody does.

If he was a better man and didn't come begging for a pay off and instead focused on the job he was asked to do and made a success of it then maybe he would have got an extension.

We will never know because Dyche made his choice to give up at Everton. The possibility was there, he just didn't have belief in himself and his ability to make that happen.

Him and Moyes operated with squads under identical conditions. OK Moyes got a loan player in that's the only difference to the squads.

One of them did very well with the squad they had and the other gave up and said he couldn't do better than 16th.

 

[brittcop1]

And which ones have turned out?

Seriously...apples and oranges mate, you missed my point. The younger players werent bought by Moyes or for Moyes...they are for his replacement. If you want to point out that Grielish when fit, made more of an impact than either of the young guys from the Bundesliga who are given nothing but scraps in terms of minutes, then you are right

 

[Efcjake]

Seriously...apples and oranges mate, you missed my point. The younger players werent bought by Moyes or for Moyes...they are for his replacement. If you want to point out that Grielish when fit, made more of an impact than either of the young guys from the Bundesliga who are given nothing but scraps in terms of minutes, then you are right

I'm just pointing out that if we are moaning about Moyes transfer business and suggesting the players he wanted were KDH and Grealish then I'd say he did a far better job picking players to improve the team than anyone who proposed Barry, Dibling, Aznou, or Rohl.