2025/26 David Moyes

[Marcus Kendall]

Nobody's mentioned Lampard who was completely unqualified, so that's Allardyce, Benitez, Lampard, Dyche in the negative column and only Ancelotti definitely in the positive column. Arguments can be made for Silva and, in my opinion, Koeman was a mistake but at least an understandable mistake. Not a great roll call.

I mentioned Lampard, cracking fella but totally out of his depth and my memory or him in the West Ham concourse close to tears and breaking down is one of the saddest memories I have of having a manager who was that brittle confidence wise

 

[toffeeblue9]

His picks are seen with hindsight. The setup with Brands etc seemed forward looking at the time. People didn’t mind when we were spending like drunken sailors - it’s all retrospective reappraisal.

There were plenty of sceptics for pretty much every appointment he made. I think you're possibly projecting how you may have felt onto everyone else. That's certainly not how I saw it, for a start.

 

[Swartzy]

Exactly - that's who we need - best equivalent I could think of today would be Amorim, but he did too poorly at United/is potentially a bit too much of a handful with the rigid system etc.

Stick a manager with a subbuteo board in our dugout and I give up..

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

We can't do that by bankrupting ourselves for the future. As I said in the bit of the post you ignored, some of our best current players, players you have bigged up including one of them in the past few hours are young, relatively low profile players such as Branthwaite, Garner and Ndiaye. You can get quality players from lots of different places if you're scouting is right and if the manager is prepared to offer signings opportunities.

How are we bankrupting ourselves? We’ve not really made massive investment at all. We replaced some players in a squad that was absolutely decimated. It’s simply cost of business. Having a few highly paid players raising the standard is prudent.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

Think of it like Red Bull Racing. They went with experience with Coulthard and Webber, built up their profile and then Newey and Vettel were ready to take them higher once established.

 

[windymiller]

How are we bankrupting ourselves? We’ve not really made massive investment at all. We replaced some players in a squad that was absolutely decimated. It’s simply cost of business. Having a few highly paid players raising the standard is prudent.

If you sign players like McTominay and Maguire, your suggestions at West Ham, for £20-40m and pay them £180k a week we are bankrupting ourselves. We've just got back from the brink of doing exactly that. Two points deductions and a near miss with 777 partners should be enough of a cautionary tale to ward us off buying older, high fee, high wage players who ride out their gold plated contracts then leave on a free. If we let any manager do that again then we are idiots.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

If you sign players like McTominay and Maguire, your suggestions at West Ham, for £20-40m and pay them £180k a week we are bankrupting ourselves. We've just got back from the brink of doing exactly that. Two points deductions and a near miss with 777 partners should be enough of a cautionary tale to ward us off buying older, high fee, high wage players who ride out their gold plated contracts then leave on a free. If we let any manager do that again then we are idiots.

McTominay would never have been on 180K per week. Behave! At the moment he’s paid about 90K per week. Man Utd paid him about 60K.

 

[windymiller]

McTominay would never have been on 180K per week. Behave! At the moment he’s paid about 90K per week.

He'd be on more in the PL than in Italy so let's be conservative, £110k for McTominay and £180k for Maguire. Best part of £300k a week on minimum contracts of three years, more likely four, for two players who have essentially zero resale value. That's fiscal mismanagement at best and the type of economics that crashed horribly under Moshiri. Like I said before, only a foolish club would do that twice in ten years.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

He'd be on more in the PL than in Italy so let's be conservative £110k for McTominay and £180k for Maguire. Best part of £300k a week on minimum contracts of three years, more likely four, for two players who have essentially zero resale value. That's fiscal mismanagement at best and the type of economics that crashed horribly under Moshiri. Like I said before, only a foolish club would do that twice in ten years.

That’s the problem - people all want to sell their players like Del Boy Trotter. You keep these guys, make them key players and build your team up over seasons and get higher league placings. You then have time to scout adequate replacements and keep the standards high.

Everyone wants to be Brighton nowadays. Pardon me for wanting better than being a feeder club.

One of the great things about selling Rooney to Man Utd is we got first dibs on many of their rejects and could build up the standard of the squad over years.

If we get the chance to keep Grealish we have to take it as it improves us.

 

[Marcus Kendall]

McTominay would never have been on 180K per week. Behave! At the moment he’s paid about 90K per week. Man Utd paid him about 60K.

I actually kind of agree, buying players in their mid twenties who have good character is never a bad thing as they set high standards for the younger impressionable players to strive for. But buying players who are a little on the washed up side on big money is a recipe for disaster which is what Windy quite rightly says

 

[MACCA75]

He'd be on more in the PL than in Italy so let's be conservative, £110k for McTominay and £180k for Maguire. Best part of £300k a week on minimum contracts of three years, more likely four, for two players who have essentially zero resale value. That's fiscal mismanagement at best and the type of economics that crashed horribly under Moshiri. Like I said before, only a foolish club would do that twice in ten years.

Buying McTominay when Napoli bought him is absolutely fine, he was 27.

 

[the golden visionary]

We don't need maguire.

I'd take mctomminey in a heartbeat

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

I actually kind of agree, buying players in their mid twenties who have good character is never a bad thing as they set high standards for the younger impressionable players to strive for. But buying players who are a little on the washed up side on big money is a recipe for disaster which is what Windy quite rightly says

Well yeah, but in the summer when I was pounding the table for Grealish many were saying it was money down the drain. It’s plainly had a great effect on the squad.

 

[Marcus Kendall]

He'd be on more in the PL than in Italy so let's be conservative, £110k for McTominay and £180k for Maguire. Best part of £300k a week on minimum contracts of three years, more likely four, for two players who have essentially zero resale value. That's fiscal mismanagement at best and the type of economics that crashed horribly under Moshiri. Like I said before, only a foolish club would do that twice in ten years.

McTominay is on £91,500 Windy so Job For The Moyes was rightish saying he's on 90k

 

[Marcus Kendall]

Well yeah, but in the summer when I was pounding the table for Grealish many were saying it was money down the drain. It’s plainly had a great effect on the squad.

I was a naysayer I must admit