2025/26 David Moyes

Efcjake said:
It's 100% correct this.

If we had drew Villa away and won against Leeds they'd have to begrudgingly call that a good result. Now they can keep banging their drum about the home form.

It was poor yesterday but we also don't have some good given right to win every home match. It is very frustrating watching them not capitalize on all of these opportunities to kick on though, I get the anger today.
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I think that's ignoring the pretty important fact that situations change though. Yes i'd have taken 4 points from the 2 games in advance but one of the reasons people got so happy about the Villa result is because it opened up the possibility of capitalising on it and doing better than expected. When you don't it inevitably leads to annoyance. Of course we don't have a right to win every home game, but as I've said earlier, it's totally disingenuous to suggest that's what people are doing. We haven't won any of our last 5 home games, which have included 2 newly promoted sides and the team bottom of the league. We've played 13 home games against PL opposition and lost more than we've won, conceded more than we've scored etc. For matchgoing fans in particular, this is is always going to cause consternation. Paying £800 for a season ticket and not seeing them win a game for 2 months is going to annoy people, that's just how it goes, always has and always will.
 
Lanolin said:
I think that's ignoring the pretty important fact that situations change though. Yes i'd have taken 4 points from the 2 games in advance but one of the reasons people got so happy about the Villa result is because it opened up the possibility of capitalising on it and doing better than expected. When you don't it inevitably leads to annoyance. Of course we don't have a right to win every home game, but as I've said earlier, it's totally disingenuous to suggest that's what people are doing. We haven't won any of our last 5 home games, which have included 2 newly promoted sides and the team bottom of the league. We've played 13 home games against PL opposition and lost more than we've won, conceded more than we've scored etc. For matchgoing fans in particular, this is is always going to cause consternation. Paying £800 for a season ticket and not seeing them win a game for 2 months is going to annoy people, that's just how it goes, always has and always will.
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I'm not arguing that the home form isn't terrible. It is and it needs improving.

You mentioned earlier people getting narky because we haven't won 4 or 5 games at home. Again, very fair.

The thing I will challenge though is that people are getting narky at Moyes immediately. These complaints and shouts to replace him were coming out after the very first poor result. It has nothing to do with 4 or 5 results for some, they're eager to stick the knife into Moyes.

There's people here who Moyes can do no right for. We sit level for 8th place right now, he's doing alright.
 
Efcjake said:
I'm not arguing that the home form isn't terrible. It is and it needs improving.

You mentioned earlier people getting narky because we haven't won 4 or 5 games at home. Again, very fair.

The thing I will challenge though is that people are getting narky at Moyes immediately. These complaints and shouts to replace him were coming out after the very first poor result. It has nothing to do with 4 or 5 results for some, they're eager to stick the knife into Moyes.

There's people here who Moyes can do no right for. We sit level for 8th place right now, he's doing alright.
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We’re 10th mate.
 
Efcjake said:
I'm not arguing that the home form isn't terrible. It is and it needs improving.

You mentioned earlier people getting narky because we haven't won 4 or 5 games at home. Again, very fair.

The thing I will challenge though is that people are getting narky at Moyes immediately. These complaints and shouts to replace him were coming out after the very first poor result. It has nothing to do with 4 or 5 results for some, they're eager to stick the knife into Moyes.

There's people here who Moyes can do no right for. We sit level for 8th place right now, he's doing alright.
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That was always one of the problems with getting Moyes back, people are already very familiar with him and will generally already have a strong opinion on him so he's not starting from the same base as other managers. I've always been a massive fan of Moyes and still am but even for me I have to admit games like last night just feed into the opinions which have already been well formed about him being reactive, negative, risk averse etc so if you didn't like him to begin with that's obviously going to be magnified a hundredfold.
 
Lanolin said:
That was always one of the problems with getting Moyes back, people are already very familiar with him and will generally already have a strong opinion on him so he's not starting from the same base as other managers. I've always been a massive fan of Moyes and still am but even for me I have to admit games like last night just feed into the opinions which have already been well formed about him being reactive, negative, risk averse etc so if you didn't like him to begin with that's obviously going to be magnified a hundredfold.
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There’s also a bizarre reluctance to give any credit to Leeds United, as if they are just passive bystanders waiting to be swept aside by out excellence.
 
Don't think it's a coincidence that the worse of our home form has come with important squad players being unavailable to Moyes,we play a different game away from home,if we tried the same tactics at home against so called lesser teams it would be rightly unacceptable to most of us but with what he has had to choose from hardly surprising we struggle to play on the front.
Moyes is well known for having strong finishes and with quality players now on the way back i expect he will manage it once more...
 
JobForTheMoyes said:
There’s also a bizarre reluctance to give any credit to Leeds United, as if they are just passive bystanders waiting to be swept aside by out excellence.
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I don’t think that’s particularly bizarre, this is an Everton forum and the vast majority of comments are going to focus on Everton for that reason. Leeds played quite well and made it difficult for us and I’ve seen a number of people say so, but in the same way that most comments after we beat Fulham will have been about how well we played rather than how easy they made it for us, the majority after a game like last night will be about how poor we were rather than how difficult they made it for us. It’s pretty obvious stuff really.
 
Bluepablo said:
If I recall correctly Moyes usually had a better second half to the season as indeed he had last year.

Should be plenty of availability

Klopp
Tuchel
Carrick
Iraola
Pocettino
Nagelsmann
Ancelotti
Alonso
Maresca
Glasner
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Not sure many of them would take the job. Qualifying for Europe would probably help.

I’ll get shot down for this but I’d like to roll the dice with Ancelotti after the World Cup.
 

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