2025/26 David Moyes

Osamabindiesel said:
I would not mind 3 at the back if it takes the likes of Myko and whatever right back we have in the team and replace them with wings/wingbacks/Garner etc. That is the only time I would consider it. If it gets our best players on the field and eliminates the weak links I would do it in a heartbeat.
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You are right...he has to shoe horn Keane and McNeil in somehow, jeez people.
 
Lanolin said:
I don’t think that’s particularly bizarre, this is an Everton forum and the vast majority of comments are going to focus on Everton for that reason. Leeds played quite well and made it difficult for us and I’ve seen a number of people say so, but in the same way that most comments after we beat Fulham will have been about how well we played rather than how easy they made it for us, the majority after a game like last night will be about how poor we were rather than how difficult they made it for us. It’s pretty obvious stuff really.
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Yeah, but some people are making out Leeds are rubbish and should be an easy win. Football doesn’t work like that.
 
JobForTheMoyes said:
I mean, I see it as banter. You can even have a laugh with Davek! It’s all just opinions. My issue is people have very rosy perspectives of how the club will do under another manager, one that flies in the face of all the data post-Moyes I.
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Don't get me wrong, a new manager is a risk, a risk I'm willing to take obviously, but a risk nevertheless. We've been rubbish under lots of different managers with lots of different styles. I'm under no illusions that we could also be rubbish under Glasner, Iraola, Pochettino, whoever.
 
Lanolin said:
That was always one of the problems with getting Moyes back, people are already very familiar with him and will generally already have a strong opinion on him so he's not starting from the same base as other managers. I've always been a massive fan of Moyes and still am but even for me I have to admit games like last night just feed into the opinions which have already been well formed about him being reactive, negative, risk averse etc so if you didn't like him to begin with that's obviously going to be magnified a hundredfold.
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It's basically it. I kind of think we all have a bias that we expect things to be better after a period of time. I'm not saying it's completely unreasonable, but it's perhaps underestimated that the challenges you face in day 1 also persist in year 5.

You also factor in with Moyes, he basically has none of the squad he had built at Everton by the end, and the structure of a club that was a lot stronger on a relative basis. People are kind of acting like he has the same level of squad, which honestly he doesn't. Theres maybe 2 or 3 players who would get into the final starting 11 he had.

So he has all of the downside of the time, and not of the limited upside. So it's sort of a hard challenge.
 
windymiller said:
Don't get me wrong, a new manager is a risk, a risk I'm willing to take obviously, but a risk nevertheless. We've been rubbish under lots of different managers with lots of different styles. I'm under no illusions that we could also be rubbish under Glasner, Iraola, Pochettino, whoever.
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The likelihood is the club will go backwards. People seem to forget that, for whatever you think of him, Moyes is a very competent football manager.

The new owners don’t even have the resources of early Mosh to pour in. This is actually a good thing as we might build in a more cautious manner.
 
Lanolin said:
I think that's ignoring the pretty important fact that situations change though. Yes i'd have taken 4 points from the 2 games in advance but one of the reasons people got so happy about the Villa result is because it opened up the possibility of capitalising on it and doing better than expected. When you don't it inevitably leads to annoyance. Of course we don't have a right to win every home game, but as I've said earlier, it's totally disingenuous to suggest that's what people are doing. We haven't won any of our last 5 home games, which have included 2 newly promoted sides and the team bottom of the league. We've played 13 home games against PL opposition and lost more than we've won, conceded more than we've scored etc. For matchgoing fans in particular, this is is always going to cause consternation. Paying £800 for a season ticket and not seeing them win a game for 2 months is going to annoy people, that's just how it goes, always has and always will.
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Our home form is basically on track to be as bad as a season when fans weren't allowed in, where the whole leagues home form dipped, or with fans two seasons where we nearly got relegated. It's understandable people are frustrated.

The away from is papering over those cracks, fortunately.
 
catcherintherye said:
Our home form is basically on track to be as bad as a season when fans weren't allowed in, where the whole leagues home form dipped, or with fans two seasons where we nearly got relegated. It's understandable people are frustrated.

The away from is papering over those cracks, fortunately.
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“Papering over the cracks”

I mean, that’s a loaded phrase. It suggests those points aren’t worth as many as the points won at home which, of course, is nonsense.

What it really shows is we have the players to be cagey and pick teams off, but not to dominate and get results at home. Branthwaite is the game changer here as the team can play much higher up the pitch.

The problem is always that we struggle to get men in the box, but this is because we’ve been forced to play in a more negative way as we’ve had our best player out all season.
 
catcherintherye said:
It's basically it. I kind of think we all have a bias that we expect things to be better after a period of time. I'm not saying it's completely unreasonable, but it's perhaps underestimated that the challenges you face in day 1 also persist in year 5.

You also factor in with Moyes, he basically has none of the squad he had built at Everton by the end, and the structure of a club that was a lot stronger on a relative basis. People are kind of acting like he has the same level of squad, which honestly he doesn't. Theres maybe 2 or 3 players who would get into the final starting 11 he had.

So he has all of the downside of the time, and not of the limited upside. So it's sort of a hard challenge.
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I didn’t want him back but would be prepared to give him more time if we could see progress & as long as we didnt recruit the likes of Soucek.

The problem is I don’t see any progress, in fact the performances last season after he came back were a lot better than this season’s & we have better players.

There doesn’t appear to be any philosophy or gameplan, let alone a plan B.

If he was giving the younger players minutes & developing them for the future I would also be more patient.
 
JobForTheMoyes said:
The likelihood is the club will go backwards. People seem to forget that, for whatever you think of him, Moyes is a very competent football manager.

The new owners don’t even have the resources of early Mosh to pour in. This is actually a good thing as we might build in a more cautious manner.
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This is obviously where we disagree. Sooner or later, whether you like it or not, Moyes will leave. He's a sextugenerian and wile you have exceptions like Ferguson or Hodgson he's very close to the age that managers usually hang it up. So, even if he's not moved on he will eventually move on. We should be planning for that either medium term or short term and we should do it with confidence and a clear plan to support the squad. Not by buying older, more expensive players which is a big fear of mine with Moyes.
 

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