2025/26 David Moyes

Swap the last two results around and the permanently embittered still be in their box waiting to be rattled.

Really can't see any other manager getting us any further than we are now with what we have...

Most other teams if not all, would pleased with progression from where Everton are starting from this season.

The entitlement of some is staggering given what we have all experienced in recent years, supporting this club.

Well on our way away from being one of the clubs playing relegation bingo.

No quick fixes these days, you can't just spend and if you can many more clubs than ever have the money to compete as well.
 
little elfin said:
The issue isn't whether the team is ready for European football, it's whether the manager has any clue at all.
Four consecutive games of pathetic first-halves and the genius still hasn't figured out why.
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I'm fick as sheet, and it's been a question all season. I think it's only the Fulham game where we stitched two comparable halves of football together. I can't see why. Opioids in the HT orange slices?
 
wandyr79 said:
Playing devils advocate here. You would be hard pressed to find any manager willing to change things so drastically after 15 minutes. Bringing on 2 players and changing the whole system, 15 minutes into a game. It would be interesting to see but it would be also interesting to see how many times in the history of football it has happened. Bit harsh to put that on Moyes for not doing it.

There may have been positional/mentality tweaks during the first half but they did not work and the players were also to a man very poor, even O'Brien looked all over the place. Regardless of tactics, some of the movement and passing was atrocious and Leeds seized upon that.

2nd half was not just a tactical change but the players seemed to want the ball more, were passing it better, moving better to give the ball carrier options. They are things that both the players and manager take responsibility for.

We were lucky that it was not at least 2, but then they were lucky we did not win the game.
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said similar, I reckon Moyes was waiting for the side to wake up. he'd get slaughtered for an ali dia moment if he'd crashed and burned the opening lineup and formation just 15 minutes in.
we tried to impose ourselves, and failed, which allowed leeds the impetus. hence the HT change.

I wonder if Moyes wanted McGinn to have someone kicking backside from minute one during games and making others lift their performance.
 
Rita_Poon said:
said similar, I reckon Moyes was waiting for the side to wake up. he'd get slaughtered for an ali dia moment if he'd crashed and burned the opening lineup and formation just 15 minutes in.
we tried to impose ourselves, and failed, which allowed leeds the impetus. hence the HT change.

I wonder if Moyes wanted McGinn to have someone kicking backside from minute one during games and making others lift their performance.
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I thought that was why we kept Claptain Fantastic on a playing contract? So he could whip them all into shape, apparently his presence on the bench was key to us beating Villa, so I heard from an Echo club lackey.
 
blue to the bone said:
Interesting to see so many shouts last night for don't change a winning team after Villa. Yet almost all posters are saying he shouldn't start Mcneill. Bit ironic
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Not really, he was crap then and abysmal last night but the team around him was set up to play and not just wait to concede vs Villa, Rohl had his best game, Armstrong was on the ball a lot more - all of this was forgotten and we just had no idea what we're doing.
 
GrandOldTeam said:
Not convinced on how he changes a winning team.

Same after Forest vs Brentford.

Tremendous result against Villa, then drops Rohl who had his best game for us.
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Personally I think Röhl looks like the sort of player (similar to Alcaraz) who's going to be more use away from home when you're trying to drive out on the break.

The sample size is small but in games like yesterday where you'd expect to have more of the ball, I'm not convinced Röhl (currently) looks like a great option, so I'd also have probably made the change that Moyes did.

I think the old addage about not changing a winning team only really works when you're sure it's your best team.

Thought Moyes was completely outthought tactically for 45 mins yesterday and I'd lay blame at his door for that one, but I'm fine with the Röhl thing.
 
toffeeblue9 said:
Personally I think Röhl looks like the sort of player (similar to Alcaraz) who's going to be more use away from home when you're trying to drive out on the break.

The sample size is small but in games like yesterday where you'd expect to have more of the ball, I'm not convinced Röhl (currently) looks like a great option, so I'd also have probably made the change that Moyes did.

I think the old addage about not changing a winning team only really works when you're sure it's your best team.

Thought Moyes was completely outthought tactically for 45 mins yesterday and I'd lay blame at his door for that one, but I'm fine with the Röhl thing.
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I've always understood the whole point of that phrase/ideology as rewarding form and confidence.
 
NilSatisOptimum said:
Swap the last two results around and the permanently embittered still be in their box waiting to be rattled.

Really can't see any other manager getting us any further than we are now with what we have...

Most other teams if not all, would pleased with progression from where Everton are starting from this season.

The entitlement of some is staggering given what we have all experienced in recent years, supporting this club.

Well on our way away from being one of the clubs playing relegation bingo.

No quick fixes these days, you can't just spend and if you can many more clubs than ever have the money to compete as well.
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Agree with all but one point here.

I think there are plenty of managers out there who could be doing the same as Moyes, maybe some who could be doing better, a lot more who would do worse.

I will say there are some valid points made against Moyes, and at the moment we are an away side. That 2nd half performance showed we can play on the front foot and look dangerous for a long spell, so fingers crossed there will be more of that 2nd half for the rest of our games this season.
 
NilSatisOptimum said:
Swap the last two results around and the permanently embittered still be in their box waiting to be rattled.

Really can't see any other manager getting us any further than we are now with what we have...

Most other teams if not all, would pleased with progression from where Everton are starting from this season.

The entitlement of some is staggering given what we have all experienced in recent years, supporting this club.

Well on our way away from being one of the clubs playing relegation bingo.

No quick fixes these days, you can't just spend and if you can many more clubs than ever have the money to compete as well.
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By the time we play Bournemouth it will be over two months since we won a home game. Let's stop pretending that it's entitled or in any way weird for fans of any club to get a bit narky when they haven't won any of their last 5 home games.
 
blue to the bone said:
Interesting to see so many shouts last night for don't change a winning team after Villa. Yet almost all posters are saying he shouldn't start Mcneill. Bit ironic
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For me it's more about not playing Rohl than keeping mcneil especially when the reason he appears to play mcneil because he tracks back, then he was atrocious at defending for their goal yesterday
 

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