2025/26 David Moyes

They did spend £100m plus Rohl & Grealish & so backed the management.

Got to say I’d be annoyed at the lack of progress & questioning why the current management should be backed again.

If I was them I would wait to the end of the season to see if there is any improvement but wouldn’t be averse to some loans.

Not sure which of the management should carry the can if it carries on as is.
They belatedly threw money at the window even though they didn't have a full team in place behind the scenes. So Kinnear and Moyes need to take the rap for that. Their decisions, their responsibility. There was no Plan A when they originally came in - Dyche resigning appeared to be a shock to them when he was on death's door to anyone with eyes among the fanbase. They panicked and got Moyes in, but were way off the pace in the summer window. Now we're told we won't be spending any more money this window. Sorry lads, we were told we would need a series of windows to rebuild. This is the THIRD Friedkin window...

If you don't want to spend to back the current manager - and I don't, because I don't trust his judgement any more - then sack and get someone in you do. But apparently Angus trusts the Moyesiah but still wants to keep his hands in his pocket...
 
Never mind, lads. I'm sure Andy Hunter will be back to write another Moyes puff piece soon.
Read the Echo report on the aftermath, like a competition to find as many excuses as humanly possible in a one minute read.

Everton can't avoid honest conversations now as Moyes belief faces transfer test​

The verdict from a sobering afternoon at Hill Dickinson Stadium as Everton crashed out of the FA Cup on penalties to Sunderland​

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Moyes must shoulder some of the responsibility for the frustrating run of results - not just from this week but for the missed opportunities that preceded them. Could he have acted before the collapse against Wolves, for instance? Was he too cautious at Burnley or too experimental at Wolves in the Carabao Cup loss there?

They are fair questions to ask but only if they are set within the proper context. There is only so much he can do and on too many occasions he has been let down by his squad, whether by its lack of depth, lack of talent in key areas or, as has been the case in a troubling number of matches, the decision-making of influential players at big moments - including that of Michael Keane and Jack Grealish, whose red cards on Wednesday night took them both out of a marquee fixture that offered the chance for some real fun and excitement in this first year of what should be the club’s bright new future.

The wider perspective is, of course, relevant. Moyes and the club’s new owners the Friedkin Group inherited an institution in crisis, one that was creaking between games and pay-cheques and had been in survival mode for what felt like an eternity. That just 12 months later a cup defeat should be the catalyst for soul-searching is itself a sign of progress - Everton have not had the freedom for introspection and reflection at this stage of the season for some years. The transformation that has already taken place must be acknowledged by even the harshest critics of a start to the new year that has hit trouble before the final box of Christmas chocolates has been engorged.


The Scot does not want this wretched week to end this season though. His belief is that Everton should remain ambitious and be prepared to strike if, in a congested Premier League table, the chance to take a shortcut to significant further progress emerges. Moyes has seen first hand what European football can do to a club not used to it and spent the summer complaining that so many of his preferred transfer targets rejected Everton’s advances because they, unlike nine league rivals, could not offer midweek exploits on the continent.

If the whole club is to share Moyes’ belief that an unmissable opportunity could still present itself then this month needs to be spent proactively. The noises from behind-the-scenes have so far pointed to a cautious window, one in which the club is prepared to strike if a good deal becomes available, not one in which those in power feel there is a desperate need to act.

It is fair to note that Everton have a lot of good players due to come back, most before the end of this month. They still have a ceiling to their potential though - their return will not solve the desperate longstanding issue at right back, there can hope but not expectation that Thierno Barry or Beto will find a ruthless streak and, while Moyes praised Adam Aznou for his match-changing cameo, his post-match comments did not suggest he saw him as an immediate solution to the lack of thrust from left back that is curtailing Jack Grealish’s impact.


There is good sense in the approach of those who wish to keep their powder dry in a tough month to do business. Sustainable progress will take time and multiple windows - and multiple years - to achieve. Patience will be required if Everton are to become the club everyone associated with them wants them to be.

But if that ideology is to win this battle then everyone must be on the same page for the second half of this campaign. Everton did big business in the summer but part of the recruitment saw investment in young, project players. The evidence so far is that Moyes is unwilling to rely on the likes of Tyler Dibling, Carlos Alcaraz, Merlin Rohl and Aznou when he has had the fortune to look elsewhere in his squad.

If he is not to be backed this month then it is hard to make an argument against the second half of this season being an exploration of the potential Everton already possess. There may be a few million pounds of award money and a little bit of extra confidence and swagger that comes with finishing in the top half of the table. More valuable to finishing ninth would be to enter the summer having figured out how to get the most from those younger players though - including youth talent Harrison Armstrong, who with Aznou was not just impressive on Saturday afternoon but who, with the maturity of his performance, embarrassed a good number of more senior and more expensive teammates. Take it further - Jake O’Brien is clearly the future of Everton at centre back, should Jarrad Branthwaite return towards the end of this month as anticipated, there is sense in seeing whether they can develop a partnership that could be the foundation for success for the next decade at the club.


Everton’s ability to grow last summer was impeded significantly by the number of outstanding issues that had been left until the last moment to be dealt with. If the decision now is to step out of the furore of the battle for Europe then the first half of this year has to be seen as a chance to lay a strong foundation for this summer and the season beyond it.

These conversations are necessary because of the disappointment of the defeat to Sunderland.

A loss on penalties is no disgrace for Everton or Moyes given the scarcity of players he had at his disposal. The visitors bossed this for the first hour and Enzo Le Fee’s first half goal was the latest to flow from calamitous set-piece defending yet Everton did show courage to force their way to extra time. They did so when James Garner converted a late penalty won by Aznou, whose rare exposure to the first team was so impressive it only served to highlight the strange decision to have used him so sparingly since he joined from Bayern Munich in the summer.

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To reach penalties with a team that hit the 120th minute with three players schooled at Finch Farm on the pitch should be the source of credit and pride. Yet this was another match in which too many players failed to perform for too long and the shambolic penalty shootout, which saw Garner, Beto and Barry all have their efforts saved by Robin Roefs, was another reminder that Moyes can only do so much before his players have to take accountability for their struggles. Too many players have not performed for him when given their chance.

This shootout nightmare meant a terrible week for Everton ended in a miserable fashion. The real challenge now is to ensure the rest of the season is not wasted.
 
What I find odd is, the brentford game was the worst. Only it's taken a draw vs re-envigored wolves and a rubbish match ending in penalties vs sunderland to get the torch and fork wielders out.

Where was the hate and blood lust last Sunday? It made more sense then. The brentford match was appalling.
 
What I find odd is, the brentford game was the worst. Only it's taken a draw vs re-envigored wolves and a rubbish match ending in penalties vs sunderland to get the torch and fork wielders out.

Where was the hate and blood lust last Sunday? It made more sense then. The brentford match was appalling.
It was the manner of it
Though we weren't great it kind of felt like there was always going to be one winner...Brentford were really good on the day. Though playing an unfit Keane again is a massive black mark

Wolves, the inaction when we all saw the tide turn can only be Moyes' fault

Today more forgiving due to absences but we're out of another cup and it also highlights how he threw the carabou in the bin with poor selection against a really struggling wolves

He needs a strong finish to the season and it's not beyond him but I'd say thin ice for many fans at this stage alright
 
Possibly that their manager gave their squad/youth players game time instead of replacing the same players every game like for like Bertto for Barry how many times has Moyes used 5 subs and always has 2 keepers on the bench

No i dont think its that. Two of our bench were 18 and one 17. Sunderlands bench were mostly mid 20s.
Its kicking time for Moyes i get it. But it doesnt change the fact the definition of down to the bare bones was Everton today
 
They belatedly threw money at the window even though they didn't have a full team in place behind the scenes. So Kinnear and Moyes need to take the rap for that. Their decisions, their responsibility. There was no Plan A when they originally came in - Dyche resigning appeared to be a shock to them when he was on death's door to anyone with eyes among the fanbase. They panicked and got Moyes in, but were way off the pace in the summer window. Now we're told we won't be spending any more money this window. Sorry lads, we were told we would need a series of windows to rebuild. This is the THIRD Friedkin window...

If you don't want to spend to back the current manager - and I don't, because I don't trust his judgement any more - then sack and get someone in you do. But apparently Angus trusts the Moyesiah but still wants to keep his hands in his pocket...

I’d agree & I think it should be sorted asap as we are going nowhere & there is no indication it’s going to change, but I expect Friedkin will wait until the end of the season to decide who of Angus/Moyes carries the can. Hopefully both 🙂

I should imagine they are telling Friedkin it will all be good when all the players are available but they can only blag that for so long.

They would have left Dyche in situ until the end of the season until their hand was forced so don’t expect they will pull the trigger on Angus/Moyes until the end of the season.

It clear that Moyes probably isn’t achieving any of his objectives. They have invested £100m plus Rohl & Grealish & his ppg v last season has gone backwards, he’s out of both cups in the first match & hasn’t developed any of the ‘development’ players, or even integrated them properly into the squad. I expect match day income will start to decline if there is no improvement in the home form.

More difficult to know the targets set for Angus & any progress.
 
It was the manner of it
Though we weren't great it kind of felt like there was always going to be one winner...Brentford were really good on the day. Though playing an unfit Keane again is a massive black mark

Wolves, the inaction when we all saw the tide turn can only be Moyes' fault

Today more forgiving due to absences but we're out of another cup and it also highlights how he threw the carabou in the bin with poor selection against a really struggling wolves

He needs a strong finish to the season and it's not beyond him but I'd say thin ice for many fans at this stage alright
he's on thin ice because of who he is.

I can handle the bias holders, they're idiots, same goes the lackeys, some people aren't happy unless they're unhappy. This idea Moyes ought to be able to squeeze more out of players that simply aren't there is delusional. How many teenagers did we field today?

Premier league experience they call. It's tiring. Fortunately Dyche's forest dumped themselves out yesterday so the main crowers aren't crowing and John Rooney got Macc's through today at the cost of the holders.

We had to go begging Gana to stay on. He's 36 years old and essential in our midfield.

Read that back. That is how desperate our situation is.
 
Hopefully we can get a few results over the next 3 or so to go the right way. We'll all feel better if we're top half with big players coming back.
When we say “a few windows” do we actually mean a few years, seeing as our recruitment team never bother dragging their sorry arses out of bed during the January one?
Yes indeed, so, there’s no need to have a massive panic.

We have many players out because of injuries and AFCON.

Let’s all have a cup of tea and be sensible.
 
What I find odd is, the brentford game was the worst. Only it's taken a draw vs re-envigored wolves and a rubbish match ending in penalties vs sunderland to get the torch and fork wielders out.

Where was the hate and blood lust last Sunday? It made more sense then. The brentford match was appalling.
3 poor results in a row is much worse than a single loss

It's the whole week that is the problem. That's why today mattered so much. It was a chance to keep the season interesting and we blew it.
 

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