Keep It Tight And Pinch 1
JLW
Player Valuation: £70m
It would be nice to see that under Moyes but none of them are clinical enough.
BigDunc'sFod
Player Valuation: £35m
Moyes, Moyes, Moyes, I'm looking for a good time
Marius57
Player Valuation: £60m
I’m not suggesting it is. Also not suggesting we get a 30 goal a season striker now. (I’ve made it very clear previously in other posts that Lukaku was a one off for us in PL terms and should not be the baseline for our strikers).
I also agree he found some ‘good’ players in that position. But for a team regularly finishing top 7/8, it’s not a massive expectation to want a striker to consistently score 10+ a season. (Posts on here have that expectation on DCL for example even when we are bottom 3/4)
But in the decade he was here, these are all the players he used as striker as we were unable to settle with one to build around which is why I feel he struggled (not because he didn’t find some decent strikers at times as he did):
Radzinski, rooney, McBride, McFadden, Ferguson, Campbell, Jeffers, Bent, Vaughan, Chadwick, beattie, Johnson, jutkiewicz, yakubu, vellios, Saha, Jo, Anichebe, agard, jelavic, Stracq.
In that decade, only 1 of those scored 10+ in all comps in more than one season.
Last edited:
I mean, including some (in fact most) of those names is just bizarre to be honest. I'm not sure Kieran Agard's inability to score 10 goals in the 200 minutes he probably spent on the pitch at this level can really be attributed to a failing by Moyes. At least 2 of the names listed did what you're saying only 1 did aswell, just off the top of my head without checking anyone else I can tell you Saha and Johnson did.
Marius57
Player Valuation: £60m
I literally just used all the names he tried as a striker during his time here. not that bizarre. Didn’t say it was a failing by him either, but that he struggled to find a striker to build around for consistency (as clearly there were some decent players who did notch double figures for us once - yak, Saha, beckford, Beattie, jelavic).
Johnson is the only one who scored 10+ twice for us as per transfermarkt. Which is the point you are ignoring about a striker doing it consistently.
Last edited:
Well it's quite bizarre in the context you're presenting, because the majority of names couldn't possibly have scored 10+ goals for us more than once, either because they only played about 2 games or because they were only here for one season. My point was just that i'm not sure he needs other people around him to find him a striker which is what you suggested. I'd say he's quite capable of spotting a decent striker, and listing League 2 strikers from the academy who he didn't turn in to clones of Jimmy Greaves isn't going to do much to convince me otherwise.
wandyr79
Player Valuation: £25m
I think that a Moyes side (the ones in his first spell with us anyway) definitely relied on goals from all areas of the pitch, rather than focusing on an out and out goal scorer. Cahill & Fellaini being the prime examples, but Osman, Arteta, Pienaar, and even Baines with set pieces, contributed massively to the goal tally. So due to the fact that we did not have a 'Lukaku' there was a need to spread the goals around and he did that very successfully. If we had peak Yakubu for a bit longer then it could have been the case that we would have developed into a striker focused team, along with smaller contributions from elsewhere.
If there was money to find a top level goal scorer, then it could have been different but I think the strikers that he had and how he used them was based on a sum of all parts theory rather than a focused attack on a top of the range goal scorer.
Bluebonic
Player Valuation: £35m
6 or 7 of those came from our academy too.
Marius57
Player Valuation: £60m
I never said they didn’t. He still used/tried them though. Like I say, I just took the names off transfermarkt as strikers he used while he was here.
I agree we shared the goals round, Cahill and Fellaini got loads. Now we don’t have players who have spread the goals around or the striker to score. And the evidence from West Ham (where he has spent decent money) was also struggling to find the striker to score consistently.
Just my view. Hope he finds one.
wandyr79
Player Valuation: £25m
Out of the current crop only NDiaye and McNeil have the capabilities to weigh in on goals regularly, so if we do not improve that area then yes, we absolutely need an out and out goal scorer.
It will be interesting to see what route he takes, in an ideal world we would be strengthening all areas of the attack but it all depends on the funds and the availability of these players.
Not even sure we can say that about them two.
We don't half lack pace and ability going forward - across all areas including full back, which has a very obvious correlation with goals, which dictates bottom of the table finishes.
Only the teams going down this season have scored less than Everton. The same was true last season. The season before than, only 1 team scored less.
It's why I'm convinced no manager gets this team away the bottom. They'll have spells, like Dyche did, like Moyes has but form is very much temporary, and this team is bottom half of the league - it needs big investment this summer to bring us the capability to score more goals.
Igrok
Player Valuation: £20m
Would not be surprised if he got sacked quickly by Christmas…there is def no guarantees for him…
twoblue
Player Valuation: £35m
You only have to jump in a taxi at Euston to understand that the average west ham hasn't got a clue
Surely Bowen and Antonio hit the net regularly under Moyes time at west ham. Soucek has been more prolific than our strikers for most his time at West Ham. Can't for the life of me see why people don't want us to sign a him if his available at decent price.
While they haven't had a 20 goal as season striker its hard to see where that would come from?
https://www.football365.com/news/20-goal-premier-league-seasons-the-statistics good link to how difficult they are find
Welcome
Join Grand Old Team to get involved in the Everton discussion. Signing up is quick, easy, and completely free.
Shop
