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[Nymzee]

The loud Capitol Hill posters on here demanding it reopen are probably not helping it reopen. "Just don't go in there!" maybe just don't make me not want to go in there?

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

No, they count on all the people posting reasoned arguments against them. It fills up pages and pages of the thread even though they have no intention of engaging with a real fact or acknowledging any of the vast multitude of times they have been caught in a lie. I just out them and laugh at them, and if the CA forum is going to be open again, I want at least some enjoyment out of it

Nah, you feed them lid. The silent approach cuts off their game. Leave them alone, speaking to noone in a reality of extreme solitude.

 

[tommye]

Just banyone who doesn’t post in the Everton section. There were quite a few.

Woaaaaaah.

Banning everyone who DOES post there would be a better way.

Some absolutely humongous weapons posting freely in that transfer thread.
People like them shouldn't be allowed Internet.

 

[Prevenger17]

The silent approach cuts off their game. Leave them alone, speaking to noone in a reality of extreme solitude

I think this is definitely the best approach. But for it to work, everyone needs to do it.

 

[tommye]

I think this is definitely the best approach. But for it to work, everyone needs to do it.

The thing with that is 'they' are then posting shîte with nobody pulling it up as it goes unnoticed and unchallenged which will then lead to the thicker members thinking it's the line to take/think.

World is full of thickos who still believe everything they read on the internet

 

[Martin Alvito]

Woaaaaaah.

Banning everyone who DOES post there would be a better way.

Some absolutely humongous weapons posting freely in that transfer thread.
People like them shouldn't be allowed Internet.

That JimmyK character needs to learn how to use punctuation and sentence structure. The sheer amount of cognitive expenditure required to translate whatever he types into English just is not worth.

 

[tommye]

That JimmyK character needs to learn how to use punctuation and sentence structure. The sheer amount of cognitive expenditure required to translate whatever he types into English just is not worth.

You try to read that shizz?


Maaaaaaaaate.....

 

[Walken]

grifter and replacement theory advocate russel brand has just done a sycophantic interview with the repugnant ron desantis, if i don't have a forum to talk about this i'll be given no choice but to shoehorn it into the wooden floors thread.

 

[peteblue]

The loud Capitol Hill posters on here demanding it reopen are probably not helping it reopen. "Just don't go in there!" maybe just don't make me not want to go in there?

I think you’ll find that those that would like it reopened are not ‘demanding’ anything. Also posters commenting on Ukraine or one of the Politics threads probably don’t do so while thinking ‘I wonder if this will encourage Nymzee to post most or less in here’….it’s no different to you and others arguing in one or two of the Everton threads which puts others off even bothering…It’s all a matter of balance, behaviour and personal choice……

 

[carlos21]

Yo guys.

 

[Martin Alvito]

That is what they count on, that is why they go to the CA, thus the problems.

Maybe a ban from those who voted no will stop the negative engagement in there.

I don't agree with RAFUH that self-policing is the answer. It doesn't work. If it did, we would defund the police and the mods would never have to take action other than banning ad spammers. Any unmoderated, fully free-to-play space will become a war zone, in the present political climate. One way to strip the opposition's legitimacy is to make them lose their temper, and both sides have become quite good at utilizing those tactics. Asking a large collective to all have the patience of a saint is self-defeating. We are not all saints, and there is nothing wrong with that. If we were all saints, there would be no humor.

The best solution I can come up with, after a few weeks of my subconscious chewing on it, has already been posted by others. Grandfather everyone in, and ask future members to make a more sizable number of human posts regarding Everton prior to accessing CA. This does three positive things. One, it raises the barrier to entry, which hopefully keeps the paid-actor types out. Two, the bot posters create a record that says, "Bot," which can be verified with available online tools. Three, that record becomes actionable on its own merits.

I can't see any other solution that also achieves the other objectives a lot of posters have. It's clear the community wants a free-to-play space for the discussion of politics and events that inevitably bump up against politics. We want all views to be heard, no matter how vehemently we may disagree. There's nothing wrong with disagreement. We learn from it, provided that the parties make a good-faith effort to settle their differences and agree to disagree on the rest. That's worth the discomfort. When things go south is when one party does not argue in good faith, and IMO much of the objectionable behavior in CA revolved around pointing out when that occurred.

 

[Nymzee]

I think you’ll find that those that would like it reopened are not ‘demanding’ anything. Also posters commenting on Ukraine or one of the Politics threads probably don’t do so while thinking ‘I wonder if this will encourage Nymzee to post most or less in here’….it’s no different to you and others arguing in one or two of the Everton threads which puts others off even bothering…It’s all a matter of balance, behaviour and personal choice……

This line isn't right. It's more 'why post something so disgusting you make people not want to open the threads at all'.

 

[Nightman]

That JimmyK character needs to learn how to use punctuation and sentence structure. The sheer amount of cognitive expenditure required to translate whatever he types into English just is not worth.

And they say American's can't do sarcasm...

Bravo, sir.

 

[Martin Alvito]

Thanks to several of you for focusing my thinking:

Nah, you feed them lid. The silent approach cuts off their game. Leave them alone, speaking to noone in a reality of extreme solitude.

I agree with the sentiment, but the problem is that we're still providing a feedback loop. They will just get smarter about being malign actors. Any functional community must have the ability to identify those people, and boot them into the stratosphere. It's why we have mods. If we do not do this, we will end up right back where we started. It won't happen tomorrow, next week or probably next month, but it will happen.

I don't want the mods having to police CA any more than they do, so we should be realistic about what is required to prevent or at least minimize that outcome.

Bring it back. Despite all the bots, extremists and those that aggressively and needlessly dumped on the aforementioned, there was still some great conversations and insights to be had.

Those who want it to remain closed should receive a pre-emptive perma ban from the CA forum as it obviously upsets them too much.

That's not the problem. I have a strong preference for learning from the mistakes of the past, rather than repeating them.

The thing with that is 'they' are then posting shîte with nobody pulling it up as it goes unnoticed and unchallenged which will then lead to the thicker members thinking it's the line to take/think.

World is full of thickos who still believe everything they read on the internet

I think Jon Stewart is spot on and in agreement with you, in discussing Anti-Semitism. We have to engage with dangerous thinking, if we want to move past it. If we don't engage, it spreads like a virus. The problem with it is that it appeals to human beings on a visceral level. We're tribal by nature. We're hardwired to believe that we are the virtuous ones, and "they" are the problem. That's probably the most fundamental result in all of psychology. A good fraction of the influential research in the field revolves around ways to counter that basic programming in the human brain.

Countering that with reason is hard. It's difficult, bordering on impossible, to reach those people until they're ready. It is often possible to reach the silent fence-sitters. Remembering that they're the actual audience can also be difficult.

 

[peteblue]

This line isn't right. It's more 'why post something so disgusting you make people not want to open the threads at all'.

Anyway, a bit like Brexit or the upcoming elections, you make your choice and vote as you see fit…..