Current Affairs Culture wars & The rise of grifting

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Stoic Ape said:
Hello @Oddball, As a forum lurker I'd be interested to know what it is your trying to achieve. Are you trying to change people's minds on particular topics or just sparring with people for entertainment? This isn't a loaded question I'm just genuinely curious. Cheers
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Hello @Stoic Ape - i started off commenting (and still do) with what i thought were lesser known snippets about anything that GOT members posted- angles that weren`t being covered but were interesting to me because i enjoy going "off the beaten track"
My idiosyncratic posting style and seemingly unconventional views got me labelled a crank etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc

I can`t be the only member here to view the world so differently but as to "changing peoples minds"? - it would be nice if someone went "hey Oddsey, i hadn`t thought of it that way, you might have a point" I can`t see it happening though as egos are involved and there`s too much water under the bridge.

There are some very clever posters on GOT in my opinion but i seem to be a $#!£ magnet (by which i mean haters) which tbh i don`t really mind.
The sparring is mildly entertaining but its mainly a by-product of the exchanges between members. cheers ?
 
Oddball said:
Hello @Stoic Ape - i started off commenting (and still do) with what i thought were lesser known snippets about anything that GOT members posted- angles that weren`t being covered but were interesting to me because i enjoy going "off the beaten track"
My idiosyncratic posting style and seemingly unconventional views got me labelled a crank etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc

I can`t be the only member here to view the world so differently but as to "changing peoples minds"? - it would be nice if someone went "hey Oddsey, i hadn`t thought of it that way, you might have a point" I can`t see it happening though as egos are involved and there`s too much water under the bridge.

There are some very clever posters on GOT in my opinion but i seem to be a $#!£ magnet (by which i mean haters) which tbh i don`t really mind.
The sparring is mildly entertaining but its mainly a by-product of the exchanges between members. cheers ?
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Evening pal
 
verreauxi said:
What I suspect happens is that throughout the day, you spend your time bitterly muttering to yourself in anger because your life didn't turn out as planned. During those times, you envision conversations you *think* you had with GOT posters, because thinking of clever responses to posts on GOT is one of the highlights of your sad day. What happens then is that you start to actually believe you and a given GOT poster had a conversation about a given topic that you imagined out of thin air even though this exchange never happened.

For example, the "empty planes" bit you just conjured out of thin-air despite me not ever bringing it up, nor caring about it, given our discussion was about the hockey stick graph. Yet you continue to hammer on about it, here, here here, here, here, here, here, and here (while puzzlingly claiming it isn't your "ace in the hole" argument). Even the logic of your sad obsession doesn't make sense: climate change is made up because airline companies need to fly empty planes back and forth to preserve their routes?? This is the type of logic I would expect of someone who can barely write coherent sentences.

As another example, you claimed I was "whinging" about "zero emissions." But a simple search would reveal that I never once have brought up "zero emissions" on this thread or indeed the entire forum. So again you had an imaginary conversation with yourself while waiting for your parole officer to finish lunch, and you thought about this so much, it became reified in your mind to the point where you claim I was whinging about it. But you didn't check this because evidence is inconvenient to you.

More generally, as I've mentioned several times, you don't understand how science works, as you claim that "science is never settled" thereby implying consensus can't be achieved. This is simply false, as I pointed out to you using examples regarding gravity, evolution, and other settled issues where scientific consensus is achieved. So you are simply wrong.

I find it funny that you claim to be suspicious of MSM and make claims about thinking independently and doing your own research. This is ironic in light of you posting youtube videos discussing or featuring some of the most predictably right-wing ideologues, such as reaction videos involving noted homophobe/misogynist Jesse Lee Peterson, or the eminently milquetoast and predictable Larry Elder. But I guess when you have trouble writing coherent sentences it's best to let videos do the talking for you, even though this undercuts the image of yourself being an independent thinker.

As to my own expertise, I'm a scientist and I do have expertise in climate warming, having run some stochastic climate models for their influence on wildlife; further my colleagues and I have been planning a course on climate change. I am not a climate scientist per se, but I'm fairly certain I have more expertise than you in both science and also in the science of climate change. My expertise has been amassed over 25 years of reading, thinking, and doing science. Your "expertise" has been amassed by watching clever and wrong "reaction videos" on youtube, coupled with a major case of Dunning Kruger.

One place where I am admittedly not an expert is psychotherapy. But given you have trouble writing coherent sentences, have admitted that you have limited reading comprehension (you called and easily understood sentence "word salad"), that you imagine conversations/exchanges about topics that never occurred, that you refuse to face any evidence that doesn't fit your narrative, that you clearly overestimate how clever you are...in all this, you might want to seek therapy. But again, I'm not an expert in this field.

In any case, this is my last response to you as I don't have the time or patience to interact with the unteachable. You can treat my future non-responses to you as a victory, as I suspect these small victories mean more to you than me as you go about your day angry at the world.
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< @verreauxi drops mic > ?
 
Daveysgingerlovechild said:
On one hand invokes scientific thinking and credibility, on the other dismisses it as 'jargon'.

Y'know I actually think you have a point about the futility of asking folk to take individual actions to reduce emissions whilst whole industries do mad stuff like fly empty planes. But it all feels thrown together a bit incoherently and contradictory, like.

Maybe you're one of them postmodernists trying to deconstruct and disrupt, yeah?
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So you`re marking me down because of a lazy style of sentence construction, ok. Where is the contradiction?
I`m glad you agree with the premise though.
 
Oddball said:
So you`re marking me down because of a lazy style of sentence construction, ok. Where is the contradiction?
I`m glad you agree with the premise though.
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Because it's not clear if you are rejection climate change as an issue completely OR highlighting one of the many complexities and inconsistencies of the issue. As read, to me, it feels like you are rejecting it as an issue whilst also making valid points which highlight it is an issue. If the former, the latter, to my mind, undermines your argument.
 
Daveysgingerlovechild said:
Because it's not clear if you are rejection climate change as an issue completely OR highlighting one of the many complexities and inconsistencies of the issue. As read, to me, it feels like you are rejecting it as an issue whilst also making valid points which highlight it is an issue. If the former, the latter, to my mind, undermines your argument.
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agreed ?. I couldn`t have put it better myself and i have seen the contradictions earlier in the discussion.
My whole point is IF "Climate Warming" is man-made then why don`t they do x,y and z. and therefore because they don`t do these obvious things then man-made "Climate Warming" is not a real.
If it was real, wasting millions of tons of jet fuel would be one of the first things to go.
 
verreauxi said:
What I suspect happens is that throughout the day, you spend your time bitterly muttering to yourself in anger because your life didn't turn out as planned. During those times, you envision conversations you *think* you had with GOT posters, because thinking of clever responses to posts on GOT is one of the highlights of your sad day. What happens then is that you start to actually believe you and a given GOT poster had a conversation about a given topic that you imagined out of thin air even though this exchange never happened.

For example, the "empty planes" bit you just conjured out of thin-air despite me not ever bringing it up, nor caring about it, given our discussion was about the hockey stick graph. Yet you continue to hammer on about it, here, here here, here, here, here, here, and here (while puzzlingly claiming it isn't your "ace in the hole" argument). Even the logic of your sad obsession doesn't make sense: climate change is made up because airline companies need to fly empty planes back and forth to preserve their routes?? This is the type of logic I would expect of someone who can barely write coherent sentences.

As another example, you claimed I was "whinging" about "zero emissions." But a simple search would reveal that I never once have brought up "zero emissions" on this thread or indeed the entire forum. So again you had an imaginary conversation with yourself while waiting for your parole officer to finish lunch, and you thought about this so much, it became reified in your mind to the point where you claim I was whinging about it. But you didn't check this because evidence is inconvenient to you.

More generally, as I've mentioned several times, you don't understand how science works, as you claim that "science is never settled" thereby implying consensus can't be achieved. This is simply false, as I pointed out to you using examples regarding gravity, evolution, and other settled issues where scientific consensus is achieved. So you are simply wrong.

I find it funny that you claim to be suspicious of MSM and make claims about thinking independently and doing your own research. This is ironic in light of you posting youtube videos discussing or featuring some of the most predictably right-wing ideologues, such as reaction videos involving noted homophobe/misogynist Jesse Lee Peterson, or the eminently milquetoast and predictable Larry Elder. But I guess when you have trouble writing coherent sentences it's best to let videos do the talking for you, even though this undercuts the image of yourself being an independent thinker.

As to my own expertise, I'm a scientist and I do have expertise in climate warming, having run some stochastic climate models for their influence on wildlife; further my colleagues and I have been planning a course on climate change. I am not a climate scientist per se, but I'm fairly certain I have more expertise than you in both science and also in the science of climate change. My expertise has been amassed over 25 years of reading, thinking, and doing science. Your "expertise" has been amassed by watching clever and wrong "reaction videos" on youtube, coupled with a major case of Dunning Kruger.

One place where I am admittedly not an expert is psychotherapy. But given you have trouble writing coherent sentences, have admitted that you have limited reading comprehension (you called and easily understood sentence "word salad"), that you imagine conversations/exchanges about topics that never occurred, that you refuse to face any evidence that doesn't fit your narrative, that you clearly overestimate how clever you are...in all this, you might want to seek therapy. But again, I'm not an expert in this field.

In any case, this is my last response to you as I don't have the time or patience to interact with the unteachable. You can treat my future non-responses to you as a victory, as I suspect these small victories mean more to you than me as you go about your day angry at the world.
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Magnificent.
 
Oddball said:
Hello @Stoic Ape - i started off commenting (and still do) with what i thought were lesser known snippets about anything that GOT members posted- angles that weren`t being covered but were interesting to me because i enjoy going "off the beaten track"
My idiosyncratic posting style and seemingly unconventional views got me labelled a crank etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc

I can`t be the only member here to view the world so differently but as to "changing peoples minds"? - it would be nice if someone went "hey Oddsey, i hadn`t thought of it that way, you might have a point" I can`t see it happening though as egos are involved and there`s too much water under the bridge.

There are some very clever posters on GOT in my opinion but i seem to be a $#!£ magnet (by which i mean haters) which tbh i don`t really mind.
The sparring is mildly entertaining but its mainly a by-product of the exchanges between members. cheers ?
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Thanks for the honest reply, I feel like both sides of the debate have valid points and egos seem to be obstructing any constructive conversation. The reason i asked you the question is because it seems to be a bit lop sided. I don't feel like I'm anywhere near clued up on the subject to have a staunch opinion but I would like to learn something from anyone who's confident enough to put their beliefs forward with conviction. Back to lurking for me but hopefully more good reading to follow :)
 
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