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[COYBL25]

I‘m going to stick my neck out here and say, that our old friend @keiran is back in all of his glory.

 

[chrismpw]

Mr. Oddball, what you’ve just written is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this forum is now dumber for having read to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Yessss! I'm off the hook!

Oh.... you said "one of"

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

if the grammar police get on to me we`ll all know it was you who snitched.

i mocked @verreauxi because "science" is in its infancy- especially "Global Heating" science and he`s reckoning its the be-all and end-all which it is far from.

the papers he links are all full of scientific jargon that doesn`t wash with me and he can`t/won`t even explain or acknowledge Earth cycles or unnecessary co2 emissions.

On one hand invokes scientific thinking and credibility, on the other dismisses it as 'jargon'.

Y'know I actually think you have a point about the futility of asking folk to take individual actions to reduce emissions whilst whole industries do mad stuff like fly empty planes. But it all feels thrown together a bit incoherently and contradictory, like.

Maybe you're one of them postmodernists trying to deconstruct and disrupt, yeah?

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

I‘m going to stick my neck out here and say, that our old friend @keiran is back in all of his glory.

Oooo, oddballs security services Ltd?

 

[MikeH72]

I‘m going to stick my neck out here and say, that our old friend @keiran is back in all of his glory.

Not enough paragraphs.

 

[verreauxi]

On one hand invokes scientific thinking and credibility, on the other dismisses it as 'jargon'.

Y'know I actually think you have a point about the futility of asking folk to take individual actions to reduce emissions whilst whole industries do mad stuff like fly empty planes. But it all feels thrown together a bit incoherently and contradictory, like.

Maybe you're one of them postmodernists trying to deconstruct and disrupt, yeah?

You have just reopened Pandora’s Bollocks. Expect 4-13 quick-fire responses once he is done rewatching “Bride of Chucky”

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

You have just reopened Pandora’s bollocks. Expect 4-13 quick-fire responses once he is done watching “Bride of Chucky”

I actually think we're dealing with a disciple of Deleuze and Guattari here, this lad has serious philosophers cred here. Knows his paradigm shift from his positivism, like.

And can sort you a body guard for a reasonable fee if @COYBL25 is on the money.

 

[Rita_Poon]

I feel like I’m learning a new language reading this thread.

 

[ClausThomsen]

For "all intents and purposes" we are. its not very hard to understand.

Do you believe human evolution has peaked?
Is the sum of all human achievement the manufacturing of 60inch televisions?

Even a 3yr old can use an i-phone, we just have the engineering/technology to make them.

its not rocket science!

edit- @verreauxi ? thanks for reminding me.

The entire point is that they're easy to use. Would making everything complicated and difficult be a better indicator of human achievement? Having a small handheld device with which a child can access information from all over the world and also communicate with individuals or groups instantly near regardless of location is quite an achievement on a technological level.

Even an architect in Ancient Egypt with a full understanding of pyramids would be stunned by such a device and likely think it some "God" style magic.

And human evolution may well have peaked from a biological standpoint. The naturally occurring hurdles to successful mating have dwindled to almost nothing. For some time we have had relatively safe lives with easy and competition free access to food, water and other things required to reach sexual maturity. And given the huge populations and the way our societies interact it is then relatively easy to attract a fertile mate.

When these barriers are near removed then unique genetic traits which gave advantages or disadvantages in the hunter/gatherer competition for limited resources or the ability to avoid danger no longer hold the importance they once did within the species. Those previously less desirable traits no longer fall by the wayside as the carriers can still breed in sufficient numbers to pass those genes on and the previously more desirable hunter/gatherer traits no longer dominate the mating game.

It is that "natural selection" which drives evolution and it may well no longer apply.

 

[nsno-chris]

A lovely week away in the lakes, the odd browse now and then but nothing. Comeback fully tonight and see that @Oddball has been bent over barrel and rogered every which will possible

Marvellous entertainment

10/10

 

[Oddball]

Haha...There has been so much projectile vomiting when those six neurons get to firing that I couldn't keep up with all his posts. I missed the "we are still hunter-gatherers" bit, which is an old trope of internet logic-bros who have read a bastardized version of human evolution by a non-expert, and then think we should all be consuming only wild boar and tubers.

did you miss the water powered cars bit too?

Stanley Meyer was a very interesting guy, apparently he died quite mysteriously.

i don`t know what "climate solutions" you are working on but maybe you and your science buddies will pick up were he left off.

 

[Oddball]

One of the most successful grifts in recent times is that big oil has convinced a bunch of angry, bitter old men who attend "YouTube University" to do their dirty work for them and make unsupported claims across the internet about how anthropogenic climate change is fake (e.g., "Here's a video saying the hockey stick graph is debunked...I am very very clever").

When you are arguing on behalf of big oil CEOs that anthropogenic climate change is a myth you are the dumbest, saddest, sucker online.

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what`s wrong with oil? why the fuss over it?

 

[Stoic Ape]

Hello @Oddball, As a forum lurker I'd be interested to know what it is your trying to achieve. Are you trying to change people's minds on particular topics or just sparring with people for entertainment? This isn't a loaded question I'm just genuinely curious. Cheers

 

[coollino]

I'm an weird situation where I've taken coke but I'm really into empty planes

 

[Yarrgh]

What I suspect happens is that throughout the day, you spend your time bitterly muttering to yourself in anger because your life didn't turn out as planned. During those times, you envision conversations you *think* you had with GOT posters, because thinking of clever responses to posts on GOT is one of the highlights of your sad day. What happens then is that you start to actually believe you and a given GOT poster had a conversation about a given topic that you imagined out of thin air even though this exchange never happened.

For example, the "empty planes" bit you just conjured out of thin-air despite me not ever bringing it up, nor caring about it, given our discussion was about the hockey stick graph. Yet you continue to hammer on about it, here, here here, here, here, here, here, and here (while puzzlingly claiming it isn't your "ace in the hole" argument). Even the logic of your sad obsession doesn't make sense: climate change is made up because airline companies need to fly empty planes back and forth to preserve their routes?? This is the type of logic I would expect of someone who can barely write coherent sentences.

As another example, you claimed I was "whinging" about "zero emissions." But a simple search would reveal that I never once have brought up "zero emissions" on this thread or indeed the entire forum. So again you had an imaginary conversation with yourself while waiting for your parole officer to finish lunch, and you thought about this so much, it became reified in your mind to the point where you claim I was whinging about it. But you didn't check this because evidence is inconvenient to you.

More generally, as I've mentioned several times, you don't understand how science works, as you claim that "science is never settled" thereby implying consensus can't be achieved. This is simply false, as I pointed out to you using examples regarding gravity, evolution, and other settled issues where scientific consensus is achieved. So you are simply wrong.

I find it funny that you claim to be suspicious of MSM and make claims about thinking independently and doing your own research. This is ironic in light of you posting youtube videos discussing or featuring some of the most predictably right-wing ideologues, such as reaction videos involving noted homophobe/misogynist Jesse Lee Peterson, or the eminently milquetoast and predictable Larry Elder. But I guess when you have trouble writing coherent sentences it's best to let videos do the talking for you, even though this undercuts the image of yourself being an independent thinker.

As to my own expertise, I'm a scientist and I do have expertise in climate warming, having run some stochastic climate models for their influence on wildlife; further my colleagues and I have been planning a course on climate change. I am not a climate scientist per se, but I'm fairly certain I have more expertise than you in both science and also in the science of climate change. My expertise has been amassed over 25 years of reading, thinking, and doing science. Your "expertise" has been amassed by watching clever and wrong "reaction videos" on youtube, coupled with a major case of Dunning Kruger.

One place where I am admittedly not an expert is psychotherapy. But given you have trouble writing coherent sentences, have admitted that you have limited reading comprehension (you called and easily understood sentence "word salad"), that you imagine conversations/exchanges about topics that never occurred, that you refuse to face any evidence that doesn't fit your narrative, that you clearly overestimate how clever you are...in all this, you might want to seek therapy. But again, I'm not an expert in this field.

In any case, this is my last response to you as I don't have the time or patience to interact with the unteachable. You can treat my future non-responses to you as a victory, as I suspect these small victories mean more to you than me as you go about your day angry at the world.