Current Affairs Critically ill man is former Russian spy

[bluestevon]

Read the post.

All the OPCW have 'agreed' with is that the sample they were given by Porton Down, which never came from the Skripals front door, was what Porton Down said it was. It could hardly saying anything else. Porton Down gives OPCW a sample it says is X, the OPCW test it and say, yes it is X. But that sample wasn't taken from the Skripals front door.

The OPCW haven't agreed with May and Johnson that it is a 'military grade nerve agent made in Russia and administered on the orders of Putin/the Kremlin'. Which is the UK's big Goebbels lie to justify bombing Syria without parliamentary approval.

I await the usual 'you hate the UK' jibe.

Oh he's fond of that line mate

My answer would be simply - to hold up the burden of proof and integrity to the highest degree and morality, fairness and truth to your own politicians and government, is the single biggest thing a patriotic person could do.

In fact it should be every persons responsibility.

Pete meanwhile seems to think patriotic behaviour is singing god save the queen, saluting the flag and being a lion led by a donkey

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

This is the crux of the matter though mate, the spy/sleeper agent exchange which included Skirpal was a deal basically between the US and Russia - all the people (sleeper agents as they where called) that Russia got back where from the US, the two most serious double agents that Russia gave - both where wanted by the US - both where on longer jail sentences than Skirpal btw and the 4th was an unusual inclusion as he wasn't even in jail for spying for the US/UK but for other crimes.

AT best Skirpal seems to be a pat on the head from the US to us as an inclusion - no more - no less, the British government deemed him under that little threat that he continued to live under his old identity as well - which you must admit seems exceptionally odd.

Again i will point out it simply doesn't make sense in any shape or form, the timing of the matter is again all wrong, we are dealing with Putin, who like or loathe him, has to be seen as a serious political figure, not a stupid man by a long shot, and i would say much more 'capable' if that is the correct word than either Trump or May. So why on earth would he wait for years, then sanction a assassination at this current time, the timing alone of it, with an election and an upcoming world cup a matter of days and several months away, shouts out utter incompetence - which i would say he never has been guilty of.

The line trotted out is 'to send a signal' to all those who may think of betraying him etc etc etc. Poppycock frankly, what a signal it is to send out - IF you betray us, we will give you a fair trial - a moderate 13 year sentence - of which you are gonna only serve 7-8 years of it, and we are willing to exchange you during that sentence after about 4 years - you can then go live in peace for 7 years until your late 60's, and then we will bungle a bizarre assassination attempt on you, hardly the stuff to make someone quake in their boots is it?

Wouldn't a 'bigger' signal be to have simply jailed him and during the jail time he has his throat cut, that would IMO anyway send a much much clearer message about what happens to traitors don't you think?

Okay - I see your point there regarding Putin and no it has never made 100% complete sense to me that this was a state (Russian) sanctioned hit. So for now let's take Putin out of the equation of actual involvement here and let's look at the possibilty that it was potentially high-ranking FSB officer/officers that went off piste and decided to sanction this hit out of pure revenge. Let us not forget that Skripal was a double agent and he must have betrayed many intelligence operations/personnel over the years, so I have no doubt that there were people out there with the motive and the capabilities to perform this hit. - The counter arguament would be, why didn't they have Skripal bumped off in Jail when they had the chance. Ill come onto that bit later.

This brings into question as to how exactly they were able to get hold of this nerve agent and how where they able to transport it into the UK undetected, as you cannot simply pop it into a tupperware box and stick it in your hand luggage. So lets assume that they somehow managed to gain access to this substance (this would indicate authority control and support from high circles in Russian military intelligence) and then they had to transport it into this country. You cannot handle this stuff without a serious level of expertiese and experience and even then, given the accounts of people who have been involved in developing this nerve agent it can still be deadly to the unwary. So handling it and moving it would have required a high degree of skill, training and precision. Not the sort of attributes associated with your average terrorist.

So the next problem would be how to get it into the UK with the minimum risk of detection. The only safest and surest method to achieve this would be via diplomatic shipments that are not subject to normal customs checks. That alone would indicate a number of high-ranking officials within the Russian Govt/Intelligence service must have been aware of what was going on even if Putin and his inner council were not.

Right...now back to the issue of why he wasn't bumped off in the gulag when they had the chance. My own suspicion is that Skripal was brought back into play by the Russians. He had contacts in the UK, he could be of some (limited use) to the Russians. Maybe just maybe he was still active but was then turned again by British Intelligence and starting feeding false info back to Russia. Could this have been the straw that broke the camels back forcing the sanctined hit on the Skripals?

Who knows - would make a great movie though.

 

[peteblue]

Okay - I see your point there regarding Putin and no it has never made 100% complete sense to me that this was a state (Russian) sanctioned hit. So for now let's take Putin out of the equation of actual involvement here and let's look at the possibilty that it was potentially high-ranking FSB officer/officers that went off piste and decided to sanction this hit out of pure revenge. Let us not forget that Skripal was a double agent and he must have betrayed many intelligence operations/personnel over the years, so I have no doubt that there were people out there with the motive and the capabilities to perform this hit. - The counter arguament would be, why didn't they have Skripal bumped off in Jail when they had the chance. Ill come onto that bit later.

This brings into question as to how exactly they were able to get hold of this nerve agent and how where they able to transport it into the UK undetected, as you cannot simply pop it into a tupperware box and stick it in your hand luggage. So lets assume that they somehow managed to gain access to this substance (this would indicate authority control and support from high circles in Russian military intelligence) and then they had to transport it into this country. You cannot handle this stuff without a serious level of expertiese and experience and even then, given the accounts of people who have been involved in developing this nerve agent it can still be deadly to the unwary. So handling it and moving it would have required a high degree of skill, training and precision. Not the sort of attributes associated with your average terrorist.

So the next problem would be how to get it into the UK with the minimum risk of detection. The only safest and surest method to achieve this would be via diplomatic shipments that are not subject to normal customs checks. That alone would indicate a number of high-ranking officials within the Russian Govt/Intelligence service must have been aware of what was going on even if Putin and his inner council were not.

Right...now back to the issue of why he wasn't bumped off in the gulag when they had the chance. My own suspicion is that Skripal was brought back into play by the Russians. He had contacts in the UK, he could be of some (limited use) to the Russians. Maybe just maybe he was still active but was then turned again by British Intelligence and starting feeding false info back to Russia. Could this have been the straw that broke the camels back forcing the sanctined hit on the Skripals?

Who knows - would make a great movie though.

Excellent post.

And if the movie shows that it was all a cunning plot by the U.K., who then managed to convince the USA and most Western countries to throw out Russians, while getting the Russians to come out and look like liars with the most implausible and risible of comments, before using it as a means to attack Syria, then my admiration for our intelligence services has gone through the roof......

 

[bluestevon]

Okay - I see your point there regarding Putin and no it has never made 100% complete sense to me that this was a state (Russian) sanctioned hit. So for now let's take Putin out of the equation of actual involvement here and let's look at the possibilty that it was potentially high-ranking FSB officer/officers that went off piste and decided to sanction this hit out of pure revenge. Let us not forget that Skripal was a double agent and he must have betrayed many intelligence operations/personnel over the years, so I have no doubt that there were people out there with the motive and the capabilities to perform this hit. - The counter arguament would be, why didn't they have Skripal bumped off in Jail when they had the chance. Ill come onto that bit later.

This brings into question as to how exactly they were able to get hold of this nerve agent and how where they able to transport it into the UK undetected, as you cannot simply pop it into a tupperware box and stick it in your hand luggage. So lets assume that they somehow managed to gain access to this substance (this would indicate authority control and support from high circles in Russian military intelligence) and then they had to transport it into this country. You cannot handle this stuff without a serious level of expertiese and experience and even then, given the accounts of people who have been involved in developing this nerve agent it can still be deadly to the unwary. So handling it and moving it would have required a high degree of skill, training and precision. Not the sort of attributes associated with your average terrorist.

So the next problem would be how to get it into the UK with the minimum risk of detection. The only safest and surest method to achieve this would be via diplomatic shipments that are not subject to normal customs checks. That alone would indicate a number of high-ranking officials within the Russian Govt/Intelligence service must have been aware of what was going on even if Putin and his inner council were not.

Right...now back to the issue of why he wasn't bumped off in the gulag when they had the chance. My own suspicion is that Skripal was brought back into play by the Russians. He had contacts in the UK, he could be of some (limited use) to the Russians. Maybe just maybe he was still active but was then turned again by British Intelligence and starting feeding false info back to Russia. Could this have been the straw that broke the camels back forcing the sanctined hit on the Skripals?

Who knows - would make a great movie though.

Do people in the intelligence service for that many years - act out of revenge, the consequences of doing so - the training they have, i'd wager it's a highly unlikely scenario. IF they did, then a trained FSB agent etc, pretty sure Skirpal would be dead if they did act against him, not bothced in a half arsed manner.

The second point mate, the professor of organic chemistry at Cornell university - one of the most elite universities going and an expert in his field stated the following about the claims of Novochok.

and followed it up with this
The compounds are simple as hell to make. Doing so without killing yourself would be more challenging but within the capabilities of many laboratories

Those statements alone remove the idea it had to be smuggled into the country in some porridge

The last part is pure speculation obviously, IF he had started working in that field again - 100% the British would have revealed it as the smoking gun, the fact it hasn't even had a whiff of suggestion would cut the legs off that

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

Do people in the intelligence service for that many years - act out of revenge, the consequences of doing so - the training they have, i'd wager it's a highly unlikely scenario. IF they did, then a trained FSB agent etc, pretty sure Skirpal would be dead if they did act against him, not bothced in a half arsed manner.

The second point mate, the professor of organic chemistry at Cornell university - one of the most elite universities going and an expert in his field stated the following about the claims of Novochok.

and followed it up with this
The compounds are simple as hell to make. Doing so without killing yourself would be more challenging but within the capabilities of many laboratories

Those statements alone remove the idea it had to be smuggled into the country in some porridge

The last part is pure speculation obviously, IF he had started working in that field again - 100% the British would have revealed it as the smoking gun, the fact it hasn't even had a whiff of suggestion would cut the legs off that

You're ruining my movie plot-line!

 

[bluestevon]

You're ruining my movie plot-line!

Call it taken 5 instead mate, about the kidnapping by the british government of a former spies daughter

 

[hullefc]

Just Who’s Pulling the Strings? 1167
14 Apr, 2018 in Uncategorized by craig | View Comments

March 4 2018 Sergei and Yulia Skripal are attacked with a nerve agent in Salisbury

March 6 2018 Boris Johnson blames Russia and calls Russia “a malign force”

March 7 2018 Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman of Saudi Arabia arrives in London for an official visit

March 13 2018 Valeri Gerasimov, Russian Chief of General Staff, states that Russia has intelligence a fake chemical attack is planned against civilians in Syria as a pretext for US bombing of Damascus, and that Russia will respond militarily.

March 19 2018 Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman of Saudi Arabia arrives in Washington for an official visit

April 8 2018 Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman of Saudi Arabia arrives in Paris for an official visit

April 8 2018 Saudi funded jihadist groups Jaysh al Islam and Tahrir al-Sham and UK funded jihadist “rescue group” The White Helmets claim a chemical weapons attack occurred in their enclave of Douma the previous day – just before its agreed handover to the Syrian army – and blame the Syrian government.

April 11 2018 Saudi Arabia pledges support for attack on Syria

April 14 2018 US/UK/French attack on Syria begins.

I have always denied the UK’s claim that only Russia had a motive to attack the Skripals. To denigrate Russia internationally by a false flag attack pinning the blame on Russia, always seemed to me more likely than for the Russians to do that to themselves. And from the start I pointed to the conflict in Syria as a likely motive. That puts Saudi Arabia (and its client jihadists), Saudi Arabia’s close ally Israel, the UK and the USA all in the frame in having a powerful motive in inculcating anti-Russian sentiment prior to planned conflict with Russia in Syria. Any of them could have attacked the Skripals.

Today, Theresa May is claiming -astonishingly – that the UK attack on Syria is “to deter chemical weapons attacks in Syria and the UK”. I don’t think the motive for a Skripal false flag could be more starkly demonstrated.

We do not yet know how many children and other civilians have died so far in what the media always pretend are magically “pinpoint” attacks on Syria. Denying the “collateral damage” is part of the neo-con playbook. The danger is that they will not stop but continue to push, testing how far they can go in weakening Syrian government forces to promote their jihadist allies on the ground, before they spark a real Russian reaction. That way madness lies.

It is also worth noting that the most ardent supporters of this military action, outside Saudi Arabia and Israel, are the Blairites in the UK and the Clinton Democrats in the USA. The self-described “centrists” are actually the unhinged extremists in today’s politics.

This attack on Syria is, beyond doubt, a huge success for the machinations of Mohammed Bin Salman. Please do read my post of 8 March which sets out the background to his agenda, and I believe is essential to why we find our nations in military action again today. Despite the fact the vast majority of the people do not want this".

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

Just Who’s Pulling the Strings? 1167
14 Apr, 2018 in Uncategorized by craig | View Comments

March 4 2018 Sergei and Yulia Skripal are attacked with a nerve agent in Salisbury

March 6 2018 Boris Johnson blames Russia and calls Russia “a malign force”

March 7 2018 Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman of Saudi Arabia arrives in London for an official visit

March 13 2018 Valeri Gerasimov, Russian Chief of General Staff, states that Russia has intelligence a fake chemical attack is planned against civilians in Syria as a pretext for US bombing of Damascus, and that Russia will respond militarily.

March 19 2018 Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman of Saudi Arabia arrives in Washington for an official visit

April 8 2018 Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman of Saudi Arabia arrives in Paris for an official visit

April 8 2018 Saudi funded jihadist groups Jaysh al Islam and Tahrir al-Sham and UK funded jihadist “rescue group” The White Helmets claim a chemical weapons attack occurred in their enclave of Douma the previous day – just before its agreed handover to the Syrian army – and blame the Syrian government.

April 11 2018 Saudi Arabia pledges support for attack on Syria

April 14 2018 US/UK/French attack on Syria begins.

I have always denied the UK’s claim that only Russia had a motive to attack the Skripals. To denigrate Russia internationally by a false flag attack pinning the blame on Russia, always seemed to me more likely than for the Russians to do that to themselves. And from the start I pointed to the conflict in Syria as a likely motive. That puts Saudi Arabia (and its client jihadists), Saudi Arabia’s close ally Israel, the UK and the USA all in the frame in having a powerful motive in inculcating anti-Russian sentiment prior to planned conflict with Russia in Syria. Any of them could have attacked the Skripals.

Today, Theresa May is claiming -astonishingly – that the UK attack on Syria is “to deter chemical weapons attacks in Syria and the UK”. I don’t think the motive for a Skripal false flag could be more starkly demonstrated.

We do not yet know how many children and other civilians have died so far in what the media always pretend are magically “pinpoint” attacks on Syria. Denying the “collateral damage” is part of the neo-con playbook. The danger is that they will not stop but continue to push, testing how far they can go in weakening Syrian government forces to promote their jihadist allies on the ground, before they spark a real Russian reaction. That way madness lies.

It is also worth noting that the most ardent supporters of this military action, outside Saudi Arabia and Israel, are the Blairites in the UK and the Clinton Democrats in the USA. The self-described “centrists” are actually the unhinged extremists in today’s politics.

This attack on Syria is, beyond doubt, a huge success for the machinations of Mohammed Bin Salman. Please do read my post of 8 March which sets out the background to his agenda, and I believe is essential to why we find our nations in military action again today. Despite the fact the vast majority of the people do not want this".

Just wow! You're even more demented than I am! Join my film production crew...please?

 

[hullefc]

Just wow! You're even more demented than I am! Join my film production crew...please?

Thanks, I will take up the invitation. But only if Maria Sharapova is allowed to play the blonde lead role.

My title is 'Postman Vlad and his black and white cat'.

It involves a boyfriend, a potential mother-in-law, a dodgy Rissotto, Postman Vlad, a black and white cat, daddy Skripal, spooks, pure toxic chemicals that isn't pure, dodgy 'door handle application for a toxic chemical' dossier, a male pantomime clown with blond hair. That's as far as I've got. I think I'll crack open a bottle of my finest Irish Whiskey and do a Del and Roddy.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

Thanks, I will take up the invitation. But only if Maria Sharapova is allowed to play the blonde lead role.

My title is 'Postman Vlad and his black and white cat'.

It involves a boyfriend, a potential mother-in-law, a dodgy Rissotto, Postman Vlad, a black and white cat, daddy Skripal, spooks, pure toxic chemicals that isn't pure, dodgy 'door handle application for a toxic chemical' dossier, a male pantomime clown with blond hair. That's as far as I've got. I think I'll crack open a bottle of my finest Irish Whiskey and do a Del and Roddy.

Love it - it will be a box office smash!

 

[peteblue]

Just wow! You're even more demented than I am! Join my film production crew...please?

Even movies have to have some plausibility......

 

[hullefc]

So the space suits are out cleaning up Salisbury, no need to the rain has done that for them. But nothing like a bit of theatrics to keep it in the news for now. This will be dropped like a hot potato when questions are finally asked about the whole false flag excuse to bomb Syria.

 

[peteblue]

So the space suits are out cleaning up Salisbury, no need to the rain has done that for them. But nothing like a bit of theatrics to keep it in the news for now. This will be dropped like a hot potato when questions are finally asked about the whole false flag excuse to bomb Syria.

хорошо сказал товарищ........

 

[peteblue]

What I like on here is that a few are beginning to realise just how many anti British Russian sympathisers post on here.......

 

[hullefc]

What I like on here is that a few are beginning to realise just how many anti British Russian sympathisers post on here.......

It's shifted from 'Reds under the bed' to 'Russians under the bed........ You just couldn't make up such imbecilic buffoonery. Meanwhile, no evidence that Putin/The Kremlin did it.