This might be the most bizarre part of the whole thing yet. At best, this has been a scandalous spread of misinformation from our government and heads should be rolling everywhere. At worst, christ, I dread to think.
Current Affairs Critically ill man is former Russian spy
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davek
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It's Keystone Cops governance of the country. May and Johnson a couple of lightweights trying to cause an international incident in order to deflect from the Brexit crisis. It's unbelievably crude, and now they and their propaganda arm the BBC are left looking like the chumps they are.
The media and the political commentariat need to apologise to Jeremy Corbyn - the only one to take up a statesman-like position on what's turning to be a tissue of lies.
This is the May Government and BBC's dodgy dossier moment. No one will ever believe them again. Credibility severely undermined.
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They still have their useful idiots who are more than happy to damage our reputation as a Nation.
This was all a ploy by Putin to kill the Guinea Pigs by thirst.
The monster.
The monster.
The Brexiteers influence in the Tory party means the foreign secretary is effectively untouchable despite his mistakes over this and relating to Iran . Another example of how that whole event has impacted on us
the games afoot
Yes let's blame Brexit fora monster like Putin who bombs Syria and its children at will - hey ho!
Did you read what I wrote ? I can break it down if it helps . I’ve mentioned the Home Secretary and his mistakes and the fact he’s effectively untouchable.
Do you think he’s made mistakes , or handled it well ? If you think he’s made mistakes do you accept that the infighting in the Tory party over Brexit and his position as the darling of many brexiteers means he’s almost unsackable ?
Maybe it’s my fault but if you can show me where I mention it not likely being Russia to blame , defended putin’s character or excused the murder of children that’d let me understand what you’re talking about .
I voted remain I also accept that leave won and away we go but the point I was making stands and I don’t follow why people slavishly defend their position whenever they precieve it’s being threatened even when it isn’t . I didn’t even say another example of how brexit has ruined us , wrecked us , screwed us .... i said impacted or do you honestly think it hasn’t , if so it all seems a bit pointless .
Socrates
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I feel the need to preface this post by stating I am a traitor and I hate my country because I do not trust the words of my "betters".
With that being said, this case is creating more questions than answers which is a sign that the information we have been given is incomplete or downright untrue.
Information can be incomplete because of National Security which is understandable but the problem is most governments, and this one especially, use National Security not to keep state secrets but political secrets and yet we are being told that they are one and the same.
This case is just highlighting a growing theme. That we are not to question this most self-entitled bunch ever to lead the nation. Or perhaps, all governments have been self-entitled and finally the people of the nation won't stand for it any longer. However, I've never seen a government so at odds with the nation since the 70s so it's probably just this lot.
Anyway, I was watching a programme last night on BBC4 (yeah @davek I know, BBC) about Porton Down.
In it, they showed us how they make VX nerve agent. Not all the details obviously but they did show it being manufactured. The camera zoomed in on a flask containing about a tablespoon worth and they scientist there confirmed that it was enough to kill tens of thousands of people. Apparently, about a microgram is enough to kill a man. That is 0.000001g.
Now, this Novichok is supposed to be even deadlier, so exactly how much of this stuff did they find on the door handle at the house?
Let's say they found a milligram (0.001g). Is that enough to detect and trace? If not, how much did they find?
But let's assume 1mg for now. That's enough to kill 1000 people. How many people died? Not 1000, that's for sure.
Again, let's assume that it was absorbed by the Skripals on their hands. This deadliest nerve agent known to man.
They then went on a 4 hour jaunt around Salisbury with a deadly nerve agent on their hands. They went for a couple of drinks and a meal. They touched glasses, tables, counters, knives and forks, plates etc. With the world's most dangerous agent on their hands.
How many people were affected by that? According to the Head of A&E at Salisbury hospital - NONE!
Questions, questions.
So, going back to the aforementioned VX nerve agent. Easily produced by a state actor and extremely toxic. Also produced by many nations, including here in the West.
So, why would Russia use an agent that they knew would be linked to them immediately when they could have used VX with nobody being pinpointed? After all, isn't Putin supposed to be the world's most cunning operator?
Questions.
Finally, I am not siding with Putin or Russia, nor am I a hater of my country. Far from it.
I do not want my compatriots to take part in a conflict that will cause misery and destruction on a truly unprecedented scale and at the very least, pour billions and trillions of pounds into a manufactured conflict, all to line the pockets of a few and to steal our democracy under the guise of "security".
What next? Martial rule? Suspension of elections? A Tory war council?
Without the truth, any or all of those options become closer and more viable.
That is why we must question everything and not rest until we have definitive proof of who did it and who was behind it.
With that being said, this case is creating more questions than answers which is a sign that the information we have been given is incomplete or downright untrue.
Information can be incomplete because of National Security which is understandable but the problem is most governments, and this one especially, use National Security not to keep state secrets but political secrets and yet we are being told that they are one and the same.
This case is just highlighting a growing theme. That we are not to question this most self-entitled bunch ever to lead the nation. Or perhaps, all governments have been self-entitled and finally the people of the nation won't stand for it any longer. However, I've never seen a government so at odds with the nation since the 70s so it's probably just this lot.
Anyway, I was watching a programme last night on BBC4 (yeah @davek I know, BBC) about Porton Down.
In it, they showed us how they make VX nerve agent. Not all the details obviously but they did show it being manufactured. The camera zoomed in on a flask containing about a tablespoon worth and they scientist there confirmed that it was enough to kill tens of thousands of people. Apparently, about a microgram is enough to kill a man. That is 0.000001g.
Now, this Novichok is supposed to be even deadlier, so exactly how much of this stuff did they find on the door handle at the house?
Let's say they found a milligram (0.001g). Is that enough to detect and trace? If not, how much did they find?
But let's assume 1mg for now. That's enough to kill 1000 people. How many people died? Not 1000, that's for sure.
Again, let's assume that it was absorbed by the Skripals on their hands. This deadliest nerve agent known to man.
They then went on a 4 hour jaunt around Salisbury with a deadly nerve agent on their hands. They went for a couple of drinks and a meal. They touched glasses, tables, counters, knives and forks, plates etc. With the world's most dangerous agent on their hands.
How many people were affected by that? According to the Head of A&E at Salisbury hospital - NONE!
Questions, questions.
So, going back to the aforementioned VX nerve agent. Easily produced by a state actor and extremely toxic. Also produced by many nations, including here in the West.
So, why would Russia use an agent that they knew would be linked to them immediately when they could have used VX with nobody being pinpointed? After all, isn't Putin supposed to be the world's most cunning operator?
Questions.
Finally, I am not siding with Putin or Russia, nor am I a hater of my country. Far from it.
I do not want my compatriots to take part in a conflict that will cause misery and destruction on a truly unprecedented scale and at the very least, pour billions and trillions of pounds into a manufactured conflict, all to line the pockets of a few and to steal our democracy under the guise of "security".
What next? Martial rule? Suspension of elections? A Tory war council?
Without the truth, any or all of those options become closer and more viable.
That is why we must question everything and not rest until we have definitive proof of who did it and who was behind it.
Russia implies UK destroyed poisoned spy's pets to 'remove witnesses'
This is Keystone cops. The men and women in space suits were sent in to the Skripal's house to thoroughly search for evidence and didn't notice two Guinea pigs and a cat. The cat must have been so frightened that it never meowed and the Guinea pigs must have been given free reign to roam the house and no one noticed them. Incredible.
This is Keystone cops. The men and women in space suits were sent in to the Skripal's house to thoroughly search for evidence and didn't notice two Guinea pigs and a cat. The cat must have been so frightened that it never meowed and the Guinea pigs must have been given free reign to roam the house and no one noticed them. Incredible.
It is looking less and less likely that there was a 'nerve agent attack' that made the Skripal's and the detective sergeant ill.
"Sir, Further to your report (“Poison exposure leaves almost 40 needing treatment”, Mar 14), may I clarify that no patients have experienced symptoms of nerve agent poisoning in Salisbury and there have only ever been three patients with significant poisoning. Several people have attended the emergency department concerned that they may have been exposed. None has had symptoms of poisoning and none has needed treatment. Any blood tests performed have shown no abnormality. No member of the public has been contaminated by the agent involved.
Stephen Davies
Consultant in emergency medicine, Salisbury NHS Foundation Trust". Times 16 March 2018.
If they say it enough, 'nerve agent attack', 'carried out by Putin' in Goebbels fashion then all comers will not question it. Enforced by the state controlled BBC of course.
"The doctor, who asked not to be named, told the BBC she moved Ms Skripal into the recovery position and opened her airway, as others tended to her father.
She said she treated her for almost 30 minutes, saying there was no sign of any chemical agent on Ms Skripal's face or body.
The doctor said she had been worried she would be affected by the nerve agent, but added that she "feels fine".
larrygobfiend
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Is it true the pets have been cremated? If so, it confirms the UK Government is covering something up.
Why the hell would you start on Russia? It's like skinny old me walking up to a bouncer and kicking him/her in the nuts/flaps!
Why the hell would you start on Russia? It's like skinny old me walking up to a bouncer and kicking him/her in the nuts/flaps!
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