Current Affairs Critically ill man is former Russian spy

[Jib in lad]

I love how anybody who doesn't believe what they are told by the establishment and the MSM are branded a conspiracy theorist.

 

[orchard]

So far from Russia we’ve had, it wasn’t us, we never made novichok, it was the Brits at Porton Down who did it, we want to be involved in the investigation, the world is against the U.K. , and many on here are happy to believe them because it makes either Boris, May or the U.K. look bad. Meanwhile two people have spent 4 weeks in intensive care, having been poisoned, with a chief suspect who likes to boast about spies dying in the street through drugs, with a drug developed by Russia, who have offered up no apparent suggestion of how this could have happened, while suggesting that the U.K. itself drugged people on its own streets, and who is now playing to the crowd and not the OPCW, gets almost universal support on here from Corbyn supporters or U.K. haters. There is no doubt that Russia is playing a good PR game, but the probability is still that they were responsible.......

Christ, what a pile of dog-doo.

 

[hullefc]

So far from Russia we’ve had, it wasn’t us, we never made novichok, it was the Brits at Porton Down who did it, we want to be involved in the investigation, the world is against the U.K. , and many on here are happy to believe them because it makes either Boris, May or the U.K. look bad. Meanwhile two people have spent 4 weeks in intensive care, having been poisoned, with a chief suspect who likes to boast about spies dying in the street through drugs, with a drug developed by Russia, who have offered up no apparent suggestion of how this could have happened, while suggesting that the U.K. itself drugged people on its own streets, and who is now playing to the crowd and not the OPCW, gets almost universal support on here from Corbyn supporters or U.K. haters. There is no doubt that Russia is playing a good PR game, but the probability is still that they were responsible.......

Oh dear. You were better when you claim the EU is responsible for all the ills that fall on the UK. Thinking about it, the EU have been very shady with this one. Need to trace the whereabouts of Barnier, Juncker etc. urgently as they have been not seen for 4 weeks. Talking of people not seen, where's your buddy strong and stable May? The daughter said she has been up and about for the last week.

UVF claimed MI5 urged it to kill former Irish PM, state papers reveal ...

"The organisation claimed the MI5 plot was aimed at destroying the “Eire economy”. It said British intelligence planned to provide it with a spoon of “Anthras” (sic), “Foort and Mouth Disease”, “Fowl Pest, Swine Fever and Jaagsikpi” to be released in Ireland".

 

[davek]

So far from Russia we’ve had, it wasn’t us, we never made novichok, it was the Brits at Porton Down who did it, we want to be involved in the investigation, the world is against the U.K. , and many on here are happy to believe them because it makes either Boris, May or the U.K. look bad. Meanwhile two people have spent 4 weeks in intensive care, having been poisoned, with a chief suspect who likes to boast about spies dying in the street through drugs, with a drug developed by Russia, who have offered up no apparent suggestion of how this could have happened, while suggesting that the U.K. itself drugged people on its own streets, and who is now playing to the crowd and not the OPCW, gets almost universal support on here from Corbyn supporters or U.K. haters. There is no doubt that Russia is playing a good PR game, but the probability is still that they were responsible.......

It's over. The game of the new-Cold War instigators has been shown up for what it is: BS.

The May Government and the BBC should now be in the dock for misinformation and threatening international stability. They are completely without credibility on the world stage. They'll thrash about a bit and splutter their defiance that they're right, but no one sees them as anything other than the perpetrators of fake news.

What a shambles. And yet another underlining of the fact that the British people need a fresh start by punting these grotesques into the bin where they belong.

 

[tsubaki]

'His regime has done in the past', who, where and why? Has there been any 'poisionings' in America, the Middle East, Central America, Africa and the rest of the world? No. It seems to always be on British soil that supposed 'poisionings' happen. 'In terms of absolute proof there might not be' exactly, so why do you peddle the bull that it was Putin/The Kremlin because 'his regime has done this in the past'? Who? Litvenko? Even his dad said it was not Putin/the Kremlin. Protocol is that exchanged spies are left alone. The UK has a history of lying about regimes it does not like. It has a history of false flags to ratchet up the propaganda against regimes it does not like. This government is both stupid and incompetent and has been seen through by the rest of the world.

I agree that our Government is incompetent, but to say the Russians haven't done it in the past is to bury your head in the sand.

For a start there was Litvinenko, whose dad might now say it wasn't the Kremlin but who did himself say who had done it, and the only independent investigation (which May repeatedly tried to block remember) into it found clear evidence that the FSB were to blame. Secondly, there is Yushchenko who somehow managed to ingest several thousand times the regular level of dioxin whilst opposing a Russia-backed candidate in the Ukrainian Presidential election; the same allegations of fakery were thrown around then though they did also give (and continue to give) the main suspect protection.

Finally, and most damning of all, there is the Moscow Theatre siege - when the Russian state clearly used a chemical weapon to resolve that crisis, killing nearly a couple of hundred and hospitalizing six hundred people, but no-one cared because the Islamists were involved.

 

[peteblue]

It's over. The game of the new-Cold War instigators has been shown up for what it is: BS.

The May Government and the BBC should now be in the dock for misinformation and threatening international stability. They are completely without credibility on the world stage. They'll thrash about a bit and splutter their defiance that they're right, but no one sees them as anything other than the perpetrators of fake news.

What a shambles. And yet another underlining of the fact that the British people need a fresh start by punting these grotesques into the bin where they belong.

Not really mate, a PR mistake was made and everyone is jumping up and down, but it will settle and Russia will still have to explain how this novichuk ended up where it did. Our government seem pretty sure of where it was made, through intelligence, and despite all the Russian obfuscation and the blather, it will come out and be shown that they did it. At the moment the Ball has been kicked into the U.K. half, but it will undoubtedly be kicked back again. This has a long way to run.....

 

[peteblue]

Oh dear. You were better when you claim the EU is responsible for all the ills that fall on the UK. Thinking about it, the EU have been very shady with this one. Need to trace the whereabouts of Barnier, Juncker etc. urgently as they have been not seen for 4 weeks. Talking of people not seen, where's your buddy strong and stable May? The daughter said she has been up and about for the last week.

UVF claimed MI5 urged it to kill former Irish PM, state papers reveal ...

"The organisation claimed the MI5 plot was aimed at destroying the “Eire economy”. It said British intelligence planned to provide it with a spoon of “Anthras” (sic), “Foort and Mouth Disease”, “Fowl Pest, Swine Fever and Jaagsikpi” to be released in Ireland".

Look, we all know that you want a United Ireland, that you support the Irish Nationalists and that you hate the U.K. we get it. Even though you chose to live in the U.K. you have never uttered one single word of support for the U.K. in any thread. So please excuse me for assuming that you will naturally support Russia, the EU, or anybody really rather than our own government..........

 

[electricblue]

Clearly some have been reading too many Frederick Forsyth novels.

 

[Jib in lad]

Heads are falling off.

 

[hullefc]

Look, we all know that you want a United Ireland, that you support the Irish Nationalists and that you hate the U.K. we get it. Even though you chose to live in the U.K. you have never uttered one single word of support for the U.K. in any thread. So please excuse me for assuming that you will naturally support Russia, the EU, or anybody really rather than our own government..........

Oh dear. Evidence is required but the UK authorities have come up short. There was no 'nerve agent attack' as explained,

"On March 16 Steven Davies, “Consultant in Emergency Medicine” at Salisbury hospital, wrote the following letter to the Times in response to an article that had appeared there two days earlier.This is the text of the letter:

“Sir, Further to your report (“Poison Exposure Leaves Almost 40 Needing Treatment”, Mar 14), may I clarify that no patients have experienced symptoms of nerve-agent poisoning in Salisbury and there have only ever been three patients with significant poisoning. Several people have attended the emergency department concerned that they may have been exposed. None had symptoms of poisoning and none has needed treatment. Any blood tests performed have shown no abnormality. No member of the public has been contaminated by the agent involved.

STEPHEN DAVIES, Consultant in Emergency Medicine, Salisbury NHS Foundation Trust”

I've highlighted it for you. I repeat, 'no patients have experienced symptoms of nerve-agent poisoning in Salisbury'. So why have May and Johnson been claiming that it was a 'nerve agent attack'? That was published on the 16 March 2018 and the media ignored it and continued spouting the 'nerve agent' narrative. I take it that Steven Davies must be pro Russian and anti UK because he hasn't followed the May, Johnson line? Does he 'hate the UK' I wonder?

But you can't look at any evidence that doesn't your narrative, 'Putin/the Kremlin did it'. But it wasn't a nerve agent attack so why have the UK government spun the big Goebbels lie that it was a 'nerve agent'? This 'nerve agent' we were told was the most deadliest toxin known to mankind and a weapon of mass destruction. But those affected have survived. Incredible really.

And let's not forget the UVF letter to the Irish PM Haughey, regarding the use of chemical warfare in Ireland.

UVF claimed MI5 urged it to kill former Irish PM, state papers reveal ...

"The organisation claimed the MI5 plot was aimed at destroying the “Eire economy”. It said British intelligence planned to provide it with a spoon of “Anthras” (sic), “Foort and Mouth Disease”, “Fowl Pest, Swine Fever and Jaagsikpi” to be released in Ireland".

I suppose the union jack waving Loyalists hate the UK as well.

 

[davek]

Not really mate, a PR mistake was made and everyone is jumping up and down, but it will settle and Russia will still have to explain how this novichuk ended up where it did. Our government seem pretty sure of where it was made, through intelligence, and despite all the Russian obfuscation and the blather, it will come out and be shown that they did it. At the moment the Ball has been kicked into the U.K. half, but it will undoubtedly be kicked back again. This has a long way to run.....

Let's hope the Russians never take this country seriously or we might all be in trouble.

 

[peteblue]

Oh dear. Evidence is required but the UK authorities have come up short. There was no 'nerve agent attack' as explained,

"On March 16 Steven Davies, “Consultant in Emergency Medicine” at Salisbury hospital, wrote the following letter to the Times in response to an article that had appeared there two days earlier.This is the text of the letter:

“Sir, Further to your report (“Poison Exposure Leaves Almost 40 Needing Treatment”, Mar 14), may I clarify that no patients have experienced symptoms of nerve-agent poisoning in Salisbury and there have only ever been three patients with significant poisoning. Several people have attended the emergency department concerned that they may have been exposed. None had symptoms of poisoning and none has needed treatment. Any blood tests performed have shown no abnormality. No member of the public has been contaminated by the agent involved.

STEPHEN DAVIES, Consultant in Emergency Medicine, Salisbury NHS Foundation Trust”

I've highlighted it for you. I repeat, 'no patients have experienced symptoms of nerve-agent poisoning in Salisbury'. So why have May and Johnson been claiming that it was a 'nerve agent attack'? That was published on the 16 March 2018 and the media ignored it and continued spouting the 'nerve agent' narrative. I take it that Steven Davies must be pro Russian and anti UK because he hasn't followed the May, Johnson line? Does he 'hate the UK' I wonder?

But you can't look at any evidence that doesn't your narrative, 'Putin/the Kremlin did it'. But it wasn't a nerve agent attack so why have the UK government spun the big Goebbels lie that it was a 'nerve agent'? This 'nerve agent' we were told was the most deadliest toxin known to mankind and a weapon of mass destruction. But those affected have survived. Incredible really.

And let's not forget the UVF letter to the Irish PM Haughey, regarding the use of chemical warfare in Ireland.

UVF claimed MI5 urged it to kill former Irish PM, state papers reveal ...

"The organisation claimed the MI5 plot was aimed at destroying the “Eire economy”. It said British intelligence planned to provide it with a spoon of “Anthras” (sic), “Foort and Mouth Disease”, “Fowl Pest, Swine Fever and Jaagsikpi” to be released in Ireland".

I suppose the union jack waving Loyalists hate the UK as well.

Incidentally, where did you find the words you have reproduced regarding what the Doctor said......

 

[peteblue]

Let's hope the Russians never take this country seriously or we might all be in trouble.

Not really, Russia are behaving like bullies and gangsters, they make lots of threats and implied threats, but those that run Russia are rich and enjoy a lifestyle that they will not give up, so don’t expect an exchange of missiles anytime soon......

 

[hullefc]

Incidentally, where did you find the words you have reproduced regarding what the Doctor said......

I have put where it was from. You really should try reading posts before commenting.

 

[peteblue]

I have put where it was from. You really should try reading posts before commenting.

No you haven’t. It insinuates that it is an article from the times, but is actually from something called ‘off-guardian’ and is an interpretation of what was written. Obviously you can reproduce the link though......