Current Affairs Critically ill man is former Russian spy

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Harryflashman said:
But Jezza didn’t say it was a coincidence did he , he said unless I’ve missed it “The basis of an allegation has to be based on evidence. We need cool heads.". To be honest that seems fairly reasonable.

As I say I think the Russians are responsible but the people spouting BS , Like the foreign secretary are the ones causing the real problems and undermining the entire position . It’s boris whose misquoted those from porton down and his department that’s been deleting tweets.
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2+2 =4
 
The most deadliest 'nerve agent' known to mankind.

To recap.

On March 16 Steven Davies, “Consultant in Emergency Medicine” at Salisbury hospital, wrote the following letter to the Times in response to an article that had appeared there two days earlier.This is the text of the letter:

“Sir, Further to your report (“Poison Exposure Leaves Almost 40 Needing Treatment”, Mar 14), may I clarify that no patients have experienced symptoms of nerve-agent poisoning in Salisbury and there have only ever been three patients with significant poisoning. Several people have attended the emergency department concerned that they may have been exposed. None had symptoms of poisoning and none has needed treatment. Any blood tests performed have shown no abnormality. No member of the public has been contaminated by the agent involved.

STEPHEN DAVIES, Consultant in Emergency Medicine, Salisbury NHS Foundation Trust”


Russian TV airs 'Yulia Skripal phone call'
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Image copyrightYULIA SKRIPAL/FACEBOOK
Image captionYulia Skripal is known to have regained consciousness
Russia state TV has aired a recording of an alleged phone conversation, which it says took place between UK poisoning victim Yulia Skripal and her cousin.

Ms Skripal and her father, ex-spy Sergei Skripal, are in hospital in Salisbury following a nerve-agent attack against them last month.

In the recording, which has not yet been verified, she says she is fine.

The UK government has accused Russia of being behind the attack, sparking an international diplomatic crisis.

The alleged Yulia tells her cousin Viktoria: "Everything is ok. He [her father] is resting now, having a sleep. Everyone's health is fine, there are no irreparable things. I will be discharged soon. Everything is ok."

Viktoria Skripal has said she hopes to travel to the UK to visit her relatives, if she can get a visa.

She is said to be one of their closest living relatives after a series of family deaths.

Ms Skripal had been reported to be conscious and talking at Salisbury District Hospital.

Her father, 66, remains critically ill but stable.

Transcript of recorded conversation
The hosts of the "60 Minute" show on state-owned Rossiya 1 - Yevgeny Popov and Olga Skabeyeva - said they were unable to confirm the authenticity of the phone call.

Viktoria: Hello?

Alleged Yulia: Hello. Do you hear me?

Viktoria: Yes, I hear you.

Alleged Yulia: It is Yulia Skripal.

Viktoria: Oh, Yulka [diminutive of Yulia] it is you! I recognise from your voice that it is you but cannot understand. So, they gave you a telephone, didn't they?

Alleged Yulia: Yes, yes.

Viktoria: Thanks God! Yulyash [diminutive of Yulia], is everything okay with you?

Alleged Yulia: Everything is ok, everything is fine.

Viktoria: Look, if tomorrow I get a (British) visa, I will come to you on Monday.

Alleged Yulia: Vika, no-one will give you the visa.

Viktoria: Well I thought so too. Oh well.

Alleged Yulia: Most likely.

Viktoria: If they give it, I need you to tell me whether I can visit you or not, tell me that I can.

Alleged Yulia: I think no, there is such a situation now, we'll sort it out later.

Viktoria: I know it, I know it all.

Alleged Yulia: Later, we will get it sorted later, everything's fine, we'll see later.

Viktoria: Is it your phone?

Alleged Yulia: It is a temporary phone. Everything is fine, but we'll see how it goes, we'll decide later. You know what the situation is here. Everything is fine, everything is solvable, everyone (he and her father) is recovering and is alive.

Viktoria: Clear! Is everything ok with your father?

Alleged Yulia: Everything is ok. He is resting now, having a sleep. Everyone's health is fine, there are no irreparable things. I will be discharged soon. Everything is ok.

Viktoria: Kisses, my bunny.

Alleged Yulia: Bye.

The recording was reportedly made on the morning of 5 April
 
Joey66 said:
2+2 =4
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That’s great but not for the Home Secretary to say somebody told him something when they didn’t is mathematics that leads to a 2+2 =4 theory he’s lying because got something to hide.

Saddam Hussain wouldn’t cooperate with UN inpectors therefore 2+2=4 and he must have had weapons of mass destruction right ? So I had to go the funerals of a couple of friends and see their families devastated.

As I’ve said I think the Russians are involved but I expect better from my government than 2+2 =4 , surely you do to ?
 
hullefc said:
The most deadliest 'nerve agent' known to mankind.

To recap.

On March 16 Steven Davies, “Consultant in Emergency Medicine” at Salisbury hospital, wrote the following letter to the Times in response to an article that had appeared there two days earlier.This is the text of the letter:

“Sir, Further to your report (“Poison Exposure Leaves Almost 40 Needing Treatment”, Mar 14), may I clarify that no patients have experienced symptoms of nerve-agent poisoning in Salisbury and there have only ever been three patients with significant poisoning. Several people have attended the emergency department concerned that they may have been exposed. None had symptoms of poisoning and none has needed treatment. Any blood tests performed have shown no abnormality. No member of the public has been contaminated by the agent involved.

STEPHEN DAVIES, Consultant in Emergency Medicine, Salisbury NHS Foundation Trust”


Russian TV airs 'Yulia Skripal phone call'
_100709201_bea6cc87-8abd-407a-9f12-9ee73528a63b.jpg
Image copyrightYULIA SKRIPAL/FACEBOOK
Image captionYulia Skripal is known to have regained consciousness
Russia state TV has aired a recording of an alleged phone conversation, which it says took place between UK poisoning victim Yulia Skripal and her cousin.

Ms Skripal and her father, ex-spy Sergei Skripal, are in hospital in Salisbury following a nerve-agent attack against them last month.

In the recording, which has not yet been verified, she says she is fine.

The UK government has accused Russia of being behind the attack, sparking an international diplomatic crisis.

The alleged Yulia tells her cousin Viktoria: "Everything is ok. He [her father] is resting now, having a sleep. Everyone's health is fine, there are no irreparable things. I will be discharged soon. Everything is ok."

Viktoria Skripal has said she hopes to travel to the UK to visit her relatives, if she can get a visa.

She is said to be one of their closest living relatives after a series of family deaths.

Ms Skripal had been reported to be conscious and talking at Salisbury District Hospital.

Her father, 66, remains critically ill but stable.

Transcript of recorded conversation
The hosts of the "60 Minute" show on state-owned Rossiya 1 - Yevgeny Popov and Olga Skabeyeva - said they were unable to confirm the authenticity of the phone call.

Viktoria: Hello?

Alleged Yulia: Hello. Do you hear me?

Viktoria: Yes, I hear you.

Alleged Yulia: It is Yulia Skripal.

Viktoria: Oh, Yulka [diminutive of Yulia] it is you! I recognise from your voice that it is you but cannot understand. So, they gave you a telephone, didn't they?

Alleged Yulia: Yes, yes.

Viktoria: Thanks God! Yulyash [diminutive of Yulia], is everything okay with you?

Alleged Yulia: Everything is ok, everything is fine.

Viktoria: Look, if tomorrow I get a (British) visa, I will come to you on Monday.

Alleged Yulia: Vika, no-one will give you the visa.

Viktoria: Well I thought so too. Oh well.

Alleged Yulia: Most likely.

Viktoria: If they give it, I need you to tell me whether I can visit you or not, tell me that I can.

Alleged Yulia: I think no, there is such a situation now, we'll sort it out later.

Viktoria: I know it, I know it all.

Alleged Yulia: Later, we will get it sorted later, everything's fine, we'll see later.

Viktoria: Is it your phone?

Alleged Yulia: It is a temporary phone. Everything is fine, but we'll see how it goes, we'll decide later. You know what the situation is here. Everything is fine, everything is solvable, everyone (he and her father) is recovering and is alive.

Viktoria: Clear! Is everything ok with your father?

Alleged Yulia: Everything is ok. He is resting now, having a sleep. Everyone's health is fine, there are no irreparable things. I will be discharged soon. Everything is ok.

Viktoria: Kisses, my bunny.

Alleged Yulia: Bye.

The recording was reportedly made on the morning of 5 April
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That call may well be authentic but the Russians themselves have said they can’t verify it , so we have to consider that .

If it’s true then my issue isn’t with the deadliness of the agent more that it’d seem we’d beeb lied to about the condition of those involved.
 
Harryflashman said:
That call may well be authentic but the Russians themselves have said they can’t verify it , so we have to consider that .

If it’s true then my issue isn’t with the deadliness of the agent more that it’d seem we’d beeb lied to about the condition of those involved.
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The Russians have said they hope her cousin gets a visa. The Russians have asked time and time again to be able to visit two of their citizens who are in hospital. But have been refused. I wonder what the government are trying to hide?

Oh there can be 'no doubt' it was 'Novichok' the most deadliest 'nerve agent' known to mankind, because May and Johnson said so. 'Russia has form for this sort of thing'. So it must be true. Surely, the UK government wouldn't lie about a weapon that could have mass destruction consequences.
 
hullefc said:
The Russians have said they hope her cousin gets a visa. The Russians have asked time and time again to be able to visit two of their citizens who are in hospital. But have been refused. I wonder what the government are trying to hide?

Oh there can be 'no doubt' it was 'Novichok' the most deadliest 'nerve agent' known to mankind, because May and Johnson said so. 'Russia has form for this sort of thing'. So it must be true. Surely, the UK government wouldn't lie about a weapon that could have mass destruction consequences.
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Looks like that’s now confirmed as genuine from bbc reports , I’m becoming very uncomfortable about the whole thing to be honest .
 
hullefc said:
The Russians have said they hope her cousin gets a visa. The Russians have asked time and time again to be able to visit two of their citizens who are in hospital. But have been refused. I wonder what the government are trying to hide?

Oh there can be 'no doubt' it was 'Novichok' the most deadliest 'nerve agent' known to mankind, because May and Johnson said so. 'Russia has form for this sort of thing'. So it must be true. Surely, the UK government wouldn't lie about a weapon that could have mass destruction consequences.
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It couldn't just be that the Russian state is a suspect in their attempted assassination and allowing access would be akin to letting a suspected murderer pay a bedside visit to their attended victim?

But no, it's a conspiracy theory again. Because Tories.
 
hullefc said:
The most deadliest 'nerve agent' known to mankind.

To recap.

On March 16 Steven Davies, “Consultant in Emergency Medicine” at Salisbury hospital, wrote the following letter to the Times in response to an article that had appeared there two days earlier.This is the text of the letter:

“Sir, Further to your report (“Poison Exposure Leaves Almost 40 Needing Treatment”, Mar 14), may I clarify that no patients have experienced symptoms of nerve-agent poisoning in Salisbury and there have only ever been three patients with significant poisoning. Several people have attended the emergency department concerned that they may have been exposed. None had symptoms of poisoning and none has needed treatment. Any blood tests performed have shown no abnormality. No member of the public has been contaminated by the agent involved.

STEPHEN DAVIES, Consultant in Emergency Medicine, Salisbury NHS Foundation Trust”


Russian TV airs 'Yulia Skripal phone call'
_100709201_bea6cc87-8abd-407a-9f12-9ee73528a63b.jpg
Image copyrightYULIA SKRIPAL/FACEBOOK
Image captionYulia Skripal is known to have regained consciousness
Russia state TV has aired a recording of an alleged phone conversation, which it says took place between UK poisoning victim Yulia Skripal and her cousin.

Ms Skripal and her father, ex-spy Sergei Skripal, are in hospital in Salisbury following a nerve-agent attack against them last month.

In the recording, which has not yet been verified, she says she is fine.

The UK government has accused Russia of being behind the attack, sparking an international diplomatic crisis.

The alleged Yulia tells her cousin Viktoria: "Everything is ok. He [her father] is resting now, having a sleep. Everyone's health is fine, there are no irreparable things. I will be discharged soon. Everything is ok."

Viktoria Skripal has said she hopes to travel to the UK to visit her relatives, if she can get a visa.

She is said to be one of their closest living relatives after a series of family deaths.

Ms Skripal had been reported to be conscious and talking at Salisbury District Hospital.

Her father, 66, remains critically ill but stable.

Transcript of recorded conversation
The hosts of the "60 Minute" show on state-owned Rossiya 1 - Yevgeny Popov and Olga Skabeyeva - said they were unable to confirm the authenticity of the phone call.

Viktoria: Hello?

Alleged Yulia: Hello. Do you hear me?

Viktoria: Yes, I hear you.

Alleged Yulia: It is Yulia Skripal.

Viktoria: Oh, Yulka [diminutive of Yulia] it is you! I recognise from your voice that it is you but cannot understand. So, they gave you a telephone, didn't they?

Alleged Yulia: Yes, yes.

Viktoria: Thanks God! Yulyash [diminutive of Yulia], is everything okay with you?

Alleged Yulia: Everything is ok, everything is fine.

Viktoria: Look, if tomorrow I get a (British) visa, I will come to you on Monday.

Alleged Yulia: Vika, no-one will give you the visa.

Viktoria: Well I thought so too. Oh well.

Alleged Yulia: Most likely.

Viktoria: If they give it, I need you to tell me whether I can visit you or not, tell me that I can.

Alleged Yulia: I think no, there is such a situation now, we'll sort it out later.

Viktoria: I know it, I know it all.

Alleged Yulia: Later, we will get it sorted later, everything's fine, we'll see later.

Viktoria: Is it your phone?

Alleged Yulia: It is a temporary phone. Everything is fine, but we'll see how it goes, we'll decide later. You know what the situation is here. Everything is fine, everything is solvable, everyone (he and her father) is recovering and is alive.

Viktoria: Clear! Is everything ok with your father?

Alleged Yulia: Everything is ok. He is resting now, having a sleep. Everyone's health is fine, there are no irreparable things. I will be discharged soon. Everything is ok.

Viktoria: Kisses, my bunny.

Alleged Yulia: Bye.

The recording was reportedly made on the morning of 5 April
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Ha ha ha ha.

How can anyone ever believe the British government or the BBC again after this. They are completely bankrupt.

Utter liars trying to cause a Cold War with Russia.

This scaremongering story has hit the rocks and the May Government are left to look like what they are: incompetent, pathetic and capable of any lie they wish to peddle through their poodle the BBC - a "news" agency now completely in direpute.

Absolutely disgraceful.

Get shut of this lot and then get a regulator into the BBC as a matter of urgency. They are a menace to democracy.
 
Tubey said:
It couldn't just be that the Russian state is a suspect in their attempted assassination and allowing access would be akin to letting a suspected murderer pay a bedside visit to their attended victim?

But no, it's a conspiracy theory again. Because Tories.
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If a British citizen took ill 'mysteriously' in Russia, and the Kremlin refused the UK ambassador access, the headlines would be 'what have the Russians got to hide'. Russia is only a 'suspect' on the say so of lies perpetrated by May, Johnson, Yvette Cooper, et al.
 
hullefc said:
If a British citizen took ill 'mysteriously' in Russia, and the Kremlin refused the UK ambassador access, the headlines would be 'what have the Russians got to hide'. Russia is only a 'suspect' on the say so of lies perpetrated by May, Johnson, Yvette Cooper, et al.
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If the 'British citizen' was an ex-spy and was killed in a way that has been definitely performed by Britain in the past on the same foreign soil, then... well, you know. You know, but you won't accept it, as it's not in your biased interest to do so.

Russia is a 'suspect' for a lot of reasons and you know it.
 
Tubey said:
If the 'British citizen' was an ex-spy and was killed in a way that has been definitely performed by Britain in the past on the same foreign soil, then... well, you know. You know, but you won't accept it, as it's not in your biased interest to do so.

Russia is a 'suspect' for a lot of reasons and you know it.
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I agree with you but the handling of this entire situation leads to this kind of speculation, it’s just been so poor . Even somebody like me that hates conspiracy theories finds my position undermined by Johnson’s conduct and the conflicting reports .
 
Tubey said:
If the 'British citizen' was an ex-spy and was killed in a way that has been definitely performed by Britain in the past on the same foreign soil, then... well, you know. You know, but you won't accept it, as it's not in your biased interest to do so.

Russia is a 'suspect' for a lot of reasons and you know it.
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No swapped spies have ever been killed to my knowledge, the evidence may say different. There is a protocol that they are left alone otherwise swaps would stop.

No one has been killed. Two Russian citizens have been taken 'ill' due to the most deadliest 'nerve agent' known to man, according to May and Johnson. And a detective sergeant has walked out of hospital having been made ill by the most deadliest nerve agent known to man. The daughter has made a miraculous recovery and the dad, Alleged Yulia: Everything is ok. He is resting now, having a sleep. Everyone's health is fine, there are no irreparable things. I will be discharged soon. Everything is ok". He seems to have survived a 'Novichok attack' - the most deadliest nerve agent known to man. With no known antidote.

Russia is a 'suspect' on the say so of May, Johnson, Yvette Cooper et al., and of course they have the 'evidence'. The 'evidence' for what - the Skripals and the detective sergeant ate some dodgy borscht by the looks of it.
 
So far from Russia we’ve had, it wasn’t us, we never made novichok, it was the Brits at Porton Down who did it, we want to be involved in the investigation, the world is against the U.K. , and many on here are happy to believe them because it makes either Boris, May or the U.K. look bad. Meanwhile two people have spent 4 weeks in intensive care, having been poisoned, with a chief suspect who likes to boast about spies dying in the street through drugs, with a drug developed by Russia, who have offered up no apparent suggestion of how this could have happened, while suggesting that the U.K. itself drugged people on its own streets, and who is now playing to the crowd and not the OPCW, gets almost universal support on here from Corbyn supporters or U.K. haters. There is no doubt that Russia is playing a good PR game, but the probability is still that they were responsible.......
 
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