Current Affairs Critically ill man is former Russian spy

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Tubey said:
There's buckets of it. If you're looking for a smoking gun in something like this, you won't get it. You won't get Putin's fingerprints on a vial of novochok somewhere.

Common sense tells you it was them. They had the motive and the means, pretty much exclusively. It's tin foil hat stuff to suggest otherwise.
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In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba.

Code named Operation Northwoods, the plans reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities.

The plans were developed as ways to trick the American public and the international community into supporting a war to oust Cuba's then new leader, communist Fidel Castro.

America's top military brass even contemplated causing U.S. military casualties, writing: "We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba," and, "casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation."

Details of the plans are described in Body of Secrets (Doubleday), a new book by investigative reporter James Bamford about the history of America's largest spy agency, the National Security Agency. However, the plans were not connected to the agency, he notes.

The plans had the written approval of all of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and were presented to President Kennedy's defense secretary, Robert McNamara, in March 1962. But they apparently were rejected by the civilian leadership and have gone undisclosed for nearly 40 years.

"These were Joint Chiefs of Staff documents. The reason these were held secret for so long is the Joint Chiefs never wanted to give these up because they were so embarrassing," Bamford told ABCNEWS.com.

Yup mate the West has never come out with any covert suggestions for things in the past has it.

You're talking common sense - in relation to Politics, common sense would also dictate you don't commit to something as idiotic financially for a country as voting for Brexit - or even giving people the vote on it, tin foil hat would suggest that no western government has lied to it's populace for reasons of political opportunity or advantage of a situation, and if the situation doesn't exist and you need one, then it can be created.

See the Falklands war and the fact that Britain effectively engineered by design or incompetence the invasion by presenting the opportunity with the removal of the naval safeguard which would have and had made it an impossibility to attack the islands prior.
 
bluestevon said:
In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba.

Code named Operation Northwoods, the plans reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities.

The plans were developed as ways to trick the American public and the international community into supporting a war to oust Cuba's then new leader, communist Fidel Castro.

America's top military brass even contemplated causing U.S. military casualties, writing: "We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba," and, "casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation."

Details of the plans are described in Body of Secrets (Doubleday), a new book by investigative reporter James Bamford about the history of America's largest spy agency, the National Security Agency. However, the plans were not connected to the agency, he notes.

The plans had the written approval of all of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and were presented to President Kennedy's defense secretary, Robert McNamara, in March 1962. But they apparently were rejected by the civilian leadership and have gone undisclosed for nearly 40 years.

"These were Joint Chiefs of Staff documents. The reason these were held secret for so long is the Joint Chiefs never wanted to give these up because they were so embarrassing," Bamford told ABCNEWS.com.

Yup mate the West has never come out with any covert suggestions for things in the past has it.

You're talking common sense - in relation to Politics, common sense would also dictate you don't commit to something as idiotic financially for a country as voting for Brexit - or even giving people the vote on it, tin foil hat would suggest that no western government has lied to it's populace for reasons of political opportunity or advantage of a situation, and if the situation doesn't exist and you need one, then it can be created.

See the Falklands war and the fact that Britain effectively engineered by design or incompetence the invasion by presenting the opportunity with the removal of the naval safeguard which would have and had made it an impossibility to attack the islands prior.
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I assume Litvinenko was a 'false flag' operation as well...

Sorry, I can't take these conspiracy theories seriously - basically any chance to attack the Tories regardless of logic.
 
So British intelligence did it, and the Tories lied and now look like complete bellends...as per usual.

Jezza 1-0 Tezza
 
hullefc said:
There is no evidence it was Putin/the Kremlin.
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In terms of absolute proof there might not be, but spectacular poisionings is something his regime has done in the past, it was developed by the regime he grew up in, and his regime is the (only) one with an obvious motive to go after Skirpal.

Its also extremely hard to see how any other theory could make sense - HMG doesn't want to expose how much money the City is making off Russian corruption, nor how they've given Putin a green light irrespective of his behaviour, nor that Brexit has made us far weaker than we were before. As false flags go it would be pretty stupid (though of course our Government is that daft).
 
bluestevon said:
See the Falklands war and the fact that Britain effectively engineered by design or incompetence the invasion by presenting the opportunity with the removal of the naval safeguard which would have and had made it an impossibility to attack the islands prior.
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That wasn't a conspiracy - for a start, the naval safeguard of the Falklands was HMS Endurance not a warship, it wouldn't have been able to stand up to the Argentine Navy. Its withdrawal, and the cuts announced as part of the 1981 Defence White Paper, did encourage them to think we wouldn't kick up a fuss or be able to respond if they invaded but to say that they encouraged it is wide of the mark; if the junta had invaded in 1983 rather than 1982 they'd have probably won.
 
Tubey said:
I assume Litvinenko was a 'false flag' operation as well...

Sorry, I can't take these conspiracy theories seriously - basically any chance to attack the Tories regardless of logic.
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Aye mate, although casting doubt on the perpetrator being Russia isn't exactly a conspiracy theory is it?

Unless you believe one/all of the following, they poisoned him in a restaurant, they poisoned him by sending flowers to him laced with nerve agent, they poisoned him by sending porridge with the friend of his daughter to give as a present, they poisoned him at his front door. or the variety of other 'conspiracy theory' suggestions to what happened, all of which have been reported.
 
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