Cricket

[Eggs]

Tied result.

..amazing listening to that live.

 

[Eggs]

Listening to this. No mention of the state of the pitch. Maybe they have already done it to death.

..they did mention it earlier, suggested a points deduction was a possibility.

 

[EvertonCJ]

What an incredible game. A great comeback from Lancashire.

 

[Toast]

Suspicious. Betting. Patterns.

 

[EvertonCJ]

..they did mention it earlier, suggested a points deduction was a possibility.

You have to think that the pitch has to be looked at. I don't know if Lancashire would benefit if the pitch was rated as poor.

 

[toffeejack]

all over by half 4 on the second day means questions have to be asked

 

[Eggs]

You have to think that the pitch has to be looked at. I don't know if Lancashire would benefit if the pitch was rated as poor.

..Lancashire on 107 points, it’s all very close at the bottom but those below still have two games on us. Suspect Yorkshire will draw and Hampshire will beat Worcester. Worcester could get a bit detached,

 

[Chris O'Connor]

A tied match, Somerset needing 78 to win were all out for 77.

As it stands 8 points for the draw and 3 bps equals 11 points

However....

Amazing but they still could get the 16 or 20 points if they adjudicate it substandard, so with 3 bp it could be 19 or 23 points and 0 to Somerset

40 wickets in less than 2 days and 23 wickets to Leach and Maharaj

Those stats don't lie, Somerset will get done for this.

 

[Eggs]

A tied match, Somerset needing 78 to win were all out for 77.

As it stands 8 points for the draw and 3 bps equals 11 points

However....

Amazing but they still could get the 16 or 20 points if they adjudicate it substandard, so with 3 bp it could be 19 or 23 points and 0 to Somerset

40 wickets in less than 2 days and 23 wickets to Leach and Maharaj

Those stats don't lie, Somerset will get done for this.

..but surely Lancashire will not be awarded points. Saying that, it would be great if that happens.

Yorkshire v Lancashire at Headingly next week is massive. It’s getting to the time of year when the weather might play a art.

 

[EvertonCJ]

Lancashire have the highest number of bowling points and the third highest number of batting points in the championship. Just haven't been able to win enough games.

 

[Chris O'Connor]

You have to think that the pitch has to be looked at. I don't know if Lancashire would benefit if the pitch was rated as poor.

See my post history, they stand to get 19 or 23 points if substandard, explained last night (sorry it was a longish post, but that's the gist of it)

 

[Chris O'Connor]

..but surely Lancashire will not be awarded points. Saying that, it would be great if that happens.

Yorkshire v Lancashire at Headingly next week is massive. It’s getting to the time of year when the weather might play a art.

According to the rules they get awarded 16 or 20 points if the pitch unfit and Somerset get zero, depending on bonus points already gained in the game

Look at my post history or scroll back a few pages, I did post the rules

 

[Eggs]

According to the rules they get awarded 16 or 20 points if the pitch unfit and Somerset get zero, depending on bonus points already gained in the game

Look at my post history or scroll back a few pages, I did post the rules

..wowzy. Fingers crossed, all are suggesting there will be an inquest.

Lancashire’s first tied game since 1952. Even I wasn’t born then!!

 

[Chris O'Connor]

Lancashire have the highest number of bowling points and the third highest number of batting points in the championship. Just haven't been able to win enough games.

They have Jennings, Buttler and Anderson playing for England too, three out of the England eleven!

 

[Connor]

THIS LOOKS ON FOR LANCS

Crucially the Somerset Middlesex game which resulted in a written warning for Somerset finished on the 28th September 2017 and therefore falls within the 12 month catchment time period where a second below average mark opens them up to the possibility of being liable to a penalty which could even be either the16 or 20 points being awarded to Lancashire with zero to Somerset which would be the case automatically for any 'unfit' pitch regardless of second offences and completely regardless of the cricket or match result.

From the article posted with important bits highlighted...


Whereas, in the past, pitches had to be rated 'poor' or even 'unfit' to incur a penalty, the new regulations state that "Two or more Below Average pitches in a 12-month period, rated so because of sub-standard performance relating to spin, seam or unevenness, if allied to intent would liable to penalty."
Ahead of the 2016 season, the ECB announced several other measures designed to encourage better pitches. In particular, they announced that visiting captains would be able to choose to bowl first in the Championship without the need to utilise a toss of the coin and they declared that away sides would be awarded 16 or 20 points (depending on the number of bonus points already won) if the home side prepared an "unfit" pitch. The home side would get no points from the match irrespective of any bonus points already won. Those regulations remain in place for the 2017 season.

(Just to clear up the 'below average' comment above as it doesn't imply 49.9999% of pitches will be below average as in the 'mean average' but rather used in the sense it is an 'average' or 'sub-standard' wicket not good enough for first class cricket.)

So by 'below average' it doesn't mean the mean or even median average of all marks for all pitches, as 100% should be above 'average' as its meant in the context they intend.

To further clarify it's used rather in the context of a mark that a pitch only declared as average or 'ordinary' should attain or a sort of 'par' mark that all pitches should pass, so in-effect to get below this is a substandard pitch even if not as bad as a completely poor or 'unfit' pitch

The judgement will be made shortly after completion of the game by the match ECB cricket liaison officer (CLO) Dean Cosker in combination with the two onfield umpires Jeremy Lloyd's and Paul Baldwin.

If it's marked 'below par' there is usually an ongoing investigation the day after by another and second CLO, comes in.

(No idea why this is perhaps an overseeing by a more senior official)

He'll conduct an investigation and he will go through the match CLO's findings and speak to both umpires, both captains and the groundstaff, he could downgrade it, he could upgrade it, that's entirely up to him. He looks at the evidence and he makes his own call.

And so it's a call by an ECB official and so could easily be very subjective with all the conspiracy theories of what's the best outcome no doubt flying around too.

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