summerisle
The rain, it raineth every day
England, from 131-6, recovered to 258-8 (50 overs). Denly 87 and Woakes 40 the main scorers.
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SA bossing this.
Minimeister
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Waste of time playing these series if we're going to play the reserves.
Chris O'Connor
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Parkinson not the only one suffering some punishment but 0-48 in 9.4 wasn't what he hoped for.
With Moeen, Stokes, Buttler, Wood, Archer and Rashid all rested, injured or missing the whole series, and a few big names in Rabada and du Plessis for South Africa, it's all about giving experience to those like Banton and Parkinson with failure not too important and the world cup four years distant.
They'll persevere with giving experience and resting the big stars, winning in four years time and developing the squad matters more than short term results now.
With Moeen, Stokes, Buttler, Wood, Archer and Rashid all rested, injured or missing the whole series, and a few big names in Rabada and du Plessis for South Africa, it's all about giving experience to those like Banton and Parkinson with failure not too important and the world cup four years distant.
They'll persevere with giving experience and resting the big stars, winning in four years time and developing the squad matters more than short term results now.
Minimeister
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Of course I get your point but if one day series are going to be used to rest the big stars then it's pointless playing them. England didn't win the World cup by treating them like that.
Chris O'Connor
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Agree entirely in that it makes the result in these early series, almost directly following a world cup, pointless.
.... However, with four years to go until the next one and very limited opportunities when it gets ever closer as series inevitably start increasing exponentially in both relevance and importance, if ever there was a chance in a relatively meaningless context to give experience and widen the selction base available for the next one, it's surely now.
The build for the next world cup is starting and in a year or two the likes of Banton and Parkinson could be amongst the first names on the ODI teamsheet. Failures now aren't great but won't count for much if they're performing when it gets more important.
England's attack without the 'x' factor of a 90mph speedster in Wood or Archer or even a Rashid, Nobody to touch 90mph and nobody to bowl a bit of mystery stuff... Predominantly right arm medium quicks, 1 left arm medium, a leggie on debut and part time spin from a couple of batters was very much indicative of the lack of importance they're placing on the results.
For all the quoting of the world champions that attack had Wood, Archer, Stokes, Rashid, Woakes and Plunkett so one bowler in common and four of the others injured or rested.
The T20's with two world tournaments in close proximity are far more relevant and important and both sides are likely to treat them as such.
Chris O'Connor
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Apparently Morgan is to keep faith with the policy of broadening the selection base by giving Parkinson another go in the next ODI, despite results and clear weaknesses in his technique at this level.
At an average speed of 46mph, the slowest of any international leg spinner, he's found it hard with batsmen holding back and waiting for the spin or advancing down and forcing him away for plenty.
Whether Matt will adjust to the quicker pace bowled by most quality test leggys or sink into oblivion as some before him have, Salisbury and Borthwick for example, is best found out now with four years and plenty of time to learn on the job.
Apparently Eoin Morgan wants to give the lad every chance. Getting a leggy who can really make a difference in four years time has to be prioritised over meaningless results atm.
The same argument could be used for Tom Banton's batting although understandably they're possibly on firmer ground there as the lad has obvious talent and looks sure to progress.
At an average speed of 46mph, the slowest of any international leg spinner, he's found it hard with batsmen holding back and waiting for the spin or advancing down and forcing him away for plenty.
Whether Matt will adjust to the quicker pace bowled by most quality test leggys or sink into oblivion as some before him have, Salisbury and Borthwick for example, is best found out now with four years and plenty of time to learn on the job.
Apparently Eoin Morgan wants to give the lad every chance. Getting a leggy who can really make a difference in four years time has to be prioritised over meaningless results atm.
The same argument could be used for Tom Banton's batting although understandably they're possibly on firmer ground there as the lad has obvious talent and looks sure to progress.
Chris O'Connor
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Tough on Jofra and shows just why he's struggled, perhaps now it's more than understandable and may have even exacerbated it
summerisle
The rain, it raineth every day
Not looking good for the second match.
BigMick
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I think Morgan's right by giving Parkinson another go. England were surely aware of the pace he bowls when they picked him - he's been on Sky enough and it's obvious even to the naked eye. Therefore, if there's any logic to their thinking, they must see him as a 'project' to be worked on.
England lost the first game because of their batting - they were at least 75 runs short of a defendable target, unless they took early wickets. Bavuma and De Kock both played sensibly, working the ball around and putting away the odd bad ball. Parkinson didn't bowl badly but never looked dangerous. It might have been different had they needed to attack him more. Chasing that total I suspect they would have picked Rashid off just as easily.
I would hope, no matter what happens on the rest of the tour, that he isn't discarded completely. My own view is unchanged: he needs to work on every aspect of his game, from his bowling to his fielding, his batting and his general fitness. The question is, having had this tour with England, has it made him absolutely determined to make it at international level, or is he content to have a good county career spiced up with lucrative 20/20 contracts around the world?
summerisle
The rain, it raineth every day
Play starting at 12 45, England unchanged, won the toss and are bowling - 45 overs a side.
summerisle
The rain, it raineth every day
South Africa 38-1, 6.3 overs, Root with the wicket but raining again.
Chris O'Connor
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Yes its fairly obvious why the likes of Alec Stewart had great reservations on him playing a part in the test series. England called Dominic Bess into the side from outside of the squad when it appeared they might unexpectedly have had no choice but to play Matt if they didn't.
Perhaps the reasons why at the moment he may be better 'blooded' in the shorter versions are fairly self evident. Bess' successful contribution being a fortunate result of the decision.
summerisle
The rain, it raineth every day
summerisle
The rain, it raineth every day
Match abandoned.