Cricket

[Chris O'Connor]

Michael Vaughan regrets England not giving it to what he thinks the outstanding candidate

"I am surprised Chris Silverwood has been appointed England head coach. Looking from the outside it appeared to me that Gary Kirsten was the outstanding candidate.

Kirsten won a World Cup in India. Where is the next World Cup? India. He won a Test series in Australia. What is the Test side’s aim over the next two years? To compete in Australia.

Batting has been England’s weakness in Test cricket for some time. What is Kirsten’s great area of knowledge? The discipline and skill you need to bat for long periods in Test cricket. He does not have a great record in Twenty20 cricket but for me that is irrelevant because in international cricket they play such little T20 cricket. Yes, there is a T20 World Cup next year but this England one-day team need little change; it is the Test team that needs developing.

I am always sceptical about thr interview process It has gained too much importance in modern sport. Coaches can be great in interviews and give brilliant presentations but does that tell you they can manage personalities? I am never one to believe the interview process should be the major factor in hiring a coach or manager.

I am sure one of the main problems with Silverwood’s appointment is that Peter Moores was the outstanding candidate from an English perspective on two separate occasions and failed twice. When English cricket has had its best moments over the last 20 years it has been with Duncan Fletcher, Andy Flower and Trevor Bayliss in charge"

Not exactly sitting on the fence then!!

 

[summerisle]

Michael Vaughan regrets England not giving it to what he thinks the outstanding candidate

"I am surprised Chris Silverwood has been appointed England head coach. Looking from the outside it appeared to me that Gary Kirsten was the outstanding candidate.

Kirsten won a World Cup in India. Where is the next World Cup? India. He won a Test series in Australia. What is the Test side’s aim over the next two years? To compete in Australia.

Batting has been England’s weakness in Test cricket for some time. What is Kirsten’s great area of knowledge? The discipline and skill you need to bat for long periods in Test cricket. He does not have a great record in Twenty20 cricket but for me that is irrelevant because in international cricket they play such little T20 cricket. Yes, there is a T20 World Cup next year but this England one-day team need little change; it is the Test team that needs developing.

I am always sceptical about thr interview process It has gained too much importance in modern sport. Coaches can be great in interviews and give brilliant presentations but does that tell you they can manage personalities? I am never one to believe the interview process should be the major factor in hiring a coach or manager.

I am sure one of the main problems with Silverwood’s appointment is that Peter Moores was the outstanding candidate from an English perspective on two separate occasions and failed twice. When English cricket has had its best moments over the last 20 years it has been with Duncan Fletcher, Andy Flower and Trevor Bayliss in charge"

Not exactly sitting on the fence then!!

Although speaking about the Hundred, Vaughan is being a bit hypocritical in that rant.
Although speaking about

Michael Vaughan regrets England not giving it to what he thinks the outstanding candidate

"I am surprised Chris Silverwood has been appointed England head coach. Looking from the outside it appeared to me that Gary Kirsten was the outstanding candidate.

Kirsten won a World Cup in India. Where is the next World Cup? India. He won a Test series in Australia. What is the Test side’s aim over the next two years? To compete in Australia.

Batting has been England’s weakness in Test cricket for some time. What is Kirsten’s great area of knowledge? The discipline and skill you need to bat for long periods in Test cricket. He does not have a great record in Twenty20 cricket but for me that is irrelevant because in international cricket they play such little T20 cricket. Yes, there is a T20 World Cup next year but this England one-day team need little change; it is the Test team that needs developing.

I am always sceptical about thr interview process It has gained too much importance in modern sport. Coaches can be great in interviews and give brilliant presentations but does that tell you they can manage personalities? I am never one to believe the interview process should be the major factor in hiring a coach or manager.

I am sure one of the main problems with Silverwood’s appointment is that Peter Moores was the outstanding candidate from an English perspective on two separate occasions and failed twice. When English cricket has had its best moments over the last 20 years it has been with Duncan Fletcher, Andy Flower and Trevor Bayliss in charge"

Not exactly sitting on the fence then!!

Stephen Fleming's appointment follows anger from former England captains

Ex-Black Caps captain latest to sign on for new competition, upsetting England greats.

www.stuff.co.nz

 

[summerisle]

Michael Vaughan regrets England not giving it to what he thinks the outstanding candidate

"I am surprised Chris Silverwood has been appointed England head coach. Looking from the outside it appeared to me that Gary Kirsten was the outstanding candidate.

Kirsten won a World Cup in India. Where is the next World Cup? India. He won a Test series in Australia. What is the Test side’s aim over the next two years? To compete in Australia.

Batting has been England’s weakness in Test cricket for some time. What is Kirsten’s great area of knowledge? The discipline and skill you need to bat for long periods in Test cricket. He does not have a great record in Twenty20 cricket but for me that is irrelevant because in international cricket they play such little T20 cricket. Yes, there is a T20 World Cup next year but this England one-day team need little change; it is the Test team that needs developing.

I am always sceptical about thr interview process It has gained too much importance in modern sport. Coaches can be great in interviews and give brilliant presentations but does that tell you they can manage personalities? I am never one to believe the interview process should be the major factor in hiring a coach or manager.

I am sure one of the main problems with Silverwood’s appointment is that Peter Moores was the outstanding candidate from an English perspective on two separate occasions and failed twice. When English cricket has had its best moments over the last 20 years it has been with Duncan Fletcher, Andy Flower and Trevor Bayliss in charge"

Not exactly sitting on the fence then!!

Although speaking about the Hundred, Vaughan is being a bit hypocritical in this rant.

Michael Vaughan regrets England not giving it to what he thinks the outstanding candidate

"I am surprised Chris Silverwood has been appointed England head coach. Looking from the outside it appeared to me that Gary Kirsten was the outstanding candidate.

Kirsten won a World Cup in India. Where is the next World Cup? India. He won a Test series in Australia. What is the Test side’s aim over the next two years? To compete in Australia.

Batting has been England’s weakness in Test cricket for some time. What is Kirsten’s great area of knowledge? The discipline and skill you need to bat for long periods in Test cricket. He does not have a great record in Twenty20 cricket but for me that is irrelevant because in international cricket they play such little T20 cricket. Yes, there is a T20 World Cup next year but this England one-day team need little change; it is the Test team that needs developing.

I am always sceptical about thr interview process It has gained too much importance in modern sport. Coaches can be great in interviews and give brilliant presentations but does that tell you they can manage personalities? I am never one to believe the interview process should be the major factor in hiring a coach or manager.

I am sure one of the main problems with Silverwood’s appointment is that Peter Moores was the outstanding candidate from an English perspective on two separate occasions and failed twice. When English cricket has had its best moments over the last 20 years it has been with Duncan Fletcher, Andy Flower and Trevor Bayliss in charge"

Not exactly sitting on the fence then!!

Although speaking about the Hundred, Vaughan is being a bit hypocritical in that rant.
Although speaking about

Michael Vaughan regrets England not giving it to what he thinks the outstanding candidate

"I am surprised Chris Silverwood has been appointed England head coach. Looking from the outside it appeared to me that Gary Kirsten was the outstanding candidate.

Kirsten won a World Cup in India. Where is the next World Cup? India. He won a Test series in Australia. What is the Test side’s aim over the next two years? To compete in Australia.

Batting has been England’s weakness in Test cricket for some time. What is Kirsten’s great area of knowledge? The discipline and skill you need to bat for long periods in Test cricket. He does not have a great record in Twenty20 cricket but for me that is irrelevant because in international cricket they play such little T20 cricket. Yes, there is a T20 World Cup next year but this England one-day team need little change; it is the Test team that needs developing.

I am always sceptical about thr interview process It has gained too much importance in modern sport. Coaches can be great in interviews and give brilliant presentations but does that tell you they can manage personalities? I am never one to believe the interview process should be the major factor in hiring a coach or manager.

I am sure one of the main problems with Silverwood’s appointment is that Peter Moores was the outstanding candidate from an English perspective on two separate occasions and failed twice. When English cricket has had its best moments over the last 20 years it has been with Duncan Fletcher, Andy Flower and Trevor Bayliss in charge"

Not exactly sitting on the fence then!!

Stephen Fleming's appointment follows anger from former England captains

Ex-Black Caps captain latest to sign on for new competition, upsetting England greats.

www.stuff.co.nz

 

[summerisle]

Although speaking about the Hundred, Vaughan is being a bit hypocritical in this rant.


Although speaking about the Hundred, Vaughan is being a bit hypocritical in that rant.
Although speaking about

Stephen Fleming's appointment follows anger from former England captains

Ex-Black Caps captain latest to sign on for new competition, upsetting England greats.

www.stuff.co.nz

I've given up trying to amend this mess.

 

[Walken]

Michael Vaughan regrets England not giving it to what he thinks the outstanding candidate

"I am surprised Chris Silverwood has been appointed England head coach. Looking from the outside it appeared to me that Gary Kirsten was the outstanding candidate.

Kirsten won a World Cup in India. Where is the next World Cup? India. He won a Test series in Australia. What is the Test side’s aim over the next two years? To compete in Australia.

Batting has been England’s weakness in Test cricket for some time. What is Kirsten’s great area of knowledge? The discipline and skill you need to bat for long periods in Test cricket. He does not have a great record in Twenty20 cricket but for me that is irrelevant because in international cricket they play such little T20 cricket. Yes, there is a T20 World Cup next year but this England one-day team need little change; it is the Test team that needs developing.

I am always sceptical about thr interview process It has gained too much importance in modern sport. Coaches can be great in interviews and give brilliant presentations but does that tell you they can manage personalities? I am never one to believe the interview process should be the major factor in hiring a coach or manager.

I am sure one of the main problems with Silverwood’s appointment is that Peter Moores was the outstanding candidate from an English perspective on two separate occasions and failed twice. When English cricket has had its best moments over the last 20 years it has been with Duncan Fletcher, Andy Flower and Trevor Bayliss in charge"

Not exactly sitting on the fence then!!

He makes a fair argument

 

[Chris O'Connor]

Although speaking about the Hundred, Vaughan is being a bit hypocritical in that rant.
Although speaking about

Stephen Fleming's appointment follows anger from former England captains

Ex-Black Caps captain latest to sign on for new competition, upsetting England greats.

www.stuff.co.nz

Tbf to Vaughan I only included the relevant section on the appointment regarding Kirsten and the interview process.

He does in fact go on to point to the fact Silverwood is home grown being one of the points in his favour.

"But one thing is for certain, and that is Silverwood’s appointment is great for coaching in this country. It is a shambles that not one of the eight Hundred franchises has an English coach."

Not much mitigation admittedly if another is apparently more suitable but at least he's English.

 

[BigMick]

I think Chapple, given Lancashire's season was a given, Mark Chilton, not Crawley, is a dull and uninspiring choice.

Yes Chilton, sorry. I believe the 50 over competition is scheduled to take place at the same time as the '100', and that it has been downgraded from a List A competition, which seems ridiculous given England went to great lengths to become World Champions in that format. Presumably Chris Benbow and possibly Gary Yates, or one of the Old Boys in charge of the juniors will be looking after the Lancs team in that competition.

 

[Chris O'Connor]

My fear is that expressed by Vaughan that the last time England went with a man who knew the county circuit backwards and had been exceptionally successful with Sussex, winning the championship twice i think, it was a fairly dismal failure.

Peter Moores was a workaholic though and undaunted he was not going to be put off by one bad episode, he went back to the county circuit he knew so well and once again proved his abilities a second time, an outstanding candidate surely worthy of being given another go instead of yet another foreign coach.

The pressure on the ECB to appoint an English coach was immense after Duncan Fletcher's reign, and so the board relented on their search for the best candidate from anywhere and gave the deserving home grown lad another go. Unfortunately, as brilliant and hardworking a coach that he was, especially at county level, it didn't work out or rather he was once again found wanting at the higher level.

I fervently hope it works for Chris, he has the experience of being around the team for the last period, is well liked although perhaps could be viewed as a 'cosy easy inhouse' appointment. He is a bowling coach which you would think is not ideal for England's current weakest point but like Peter Moores does have an outstanding county coaching record.

It could very well be a case of deja vu if he fails although I will say that Moores did not have the playing background that Silverwood has. Chris has played at the highest level whereas Moore's wasn't a successful first class cricketer and this waa often held against him as the weakest point in his armoury.

I agree though on Kirsten and Flower, if they couldn't meet the requirements of the job through different expectations on working commitments to be given or family/personal reasons they had to move on, Silverwood was the other candidate.

 

[BigMick]

Peter Moores was a decent county wicketkeeper/batsman in the days before they were expected to be a mini-Adam Gilchrist. I suspect he played more 1st class games than Silverwood but never played for England, which certainly affected some England players attitude towards him. Not sure if Silverwood's 6 or 7 caps would have impressed them any more, especially when it comes to batsmen! Moores was and still is a decent coach, probably better suited to the day to day work of county cricket than the international arena. No idea if the same applies to Silverwood - Giles obviously thinks not.

I would have preferred Alec Stewart.

 

[summerisle]

Back to basics.

England coach Chris Silverwood wants Test team to get the basics right

Chris Silverwood, the new England coach, said he wants his team ‘to bat long periods of time’

www.theguardian.com

 

[Lanolin]

Peter Moores was a decent county wicketkeeper/batsman in the days before they were expected to be a mini-Adam Gilchrist. I suspect he played more 1st class games than Silverwood but never played for England, which certainly affected some England players attitude towards him. Not sure if Silverwood's 6 or 7 caps would have impressed them any more, especially when it comes to batsmen! Moores was and still is a decent coach, probably better suited to the day to day work of county cricket than the international arena. No idea if the same applies to Silverwood - Giles obviously thinks not.

I would have preferred Alec Stewart.

Moores, in my opinion, is a fantastic coach. The problem is he's the type of coach where you really have to buy into what he's doing for it to have an impact. I think some of the England players just didn't buy into it, and he's not the type of big personality who will overcome that really. I don't think it was just a case of them not listening because he had no international playing career (nor did Bayliss) simply that there were some players who didn't like his style and so didn't go along with it.

 

[summerisle]

India demolish South Africa by an innings and 137 runs, 2 up with one to play, to win the series, their 11th straight home series win, a record.
England travel to South Africa in December.

 

[summerisle]

Super Over rules which saw England win Cricket World Cup on boundaries count now changed by ICC

England would not have won the 2019 Cricket World Cup under the International Cricket Council’s new tiebreak rules for knockout matches.

www.telegraph.co.uk

Super Over rules which saw England win Cricket World Cup on boundaries count now changed by ICC

England would not have won the 2019 Cricket World Cup under the International Cricket Council’s new tiebreak rules for knockout matches.

In response to the extraordinary World Cup final, the ICC has changed the rules and abolished the controversial boundary countback rule after a Super Over.

Under the new rules agreed in Dubai, when scores are level after a Super Over there will be more Super Overs played until one team has scored more runs than the other.

The ICC said the change to the rules was “in keeping with the basic principle of scoring more runs than the opponent to win”. Had this been enacted prior to the World Cup final, when both England and New Zealand scored 15 runs in the Super Over after earlier scoring 241 in their full 50 overs, then there would have been another Super Over.

Although the ICC has changed the rules for future ICC events - ruling that group matches will be adjudged a tie if the Super Over is tied, but that there will be another Super Over if the Super Over is tied in knockout games - the new rules will be glimpsed very rarely.
Only two knockout games in the history of the Cricket World Cup - Australia’s tie with South Africa in the 1999 semi-final, and this year’s final - have ever finished with the scores level after a full innings each, with the final the only instance of this being true after the Super Over too.

Following the conclusion of the ICC board meetings in Dubai, the ICC also announced a significant hike in women’s prize money - including prize money for the next Women’s World Cup, in 2021, increasing from $2 million to $3.5m.

Both Nepal and Zimbabwe have also been readmitted as members of the ICC after previously being suspended for government interference.

 

[summerisle]

Makes sense I suppose, but I wonder about the coaching of the leg spinners.

England appoint Jeetan Patel as spin-bowling coach for New Zealand tour

England’s spinners will be able to draw on local knowledge in New Zealand after Jeetan Patel, the former international who captains Warwickshire, was hired on a short-term coaching deal

www.theguardian.com

 

[Connor]