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Depends what is implemented.

See, these clean air zones focus on emissions. But not necessarily the most up to date version. So ulez currently asks that petrol cars meet euro 4 standards and diesels euro 6.

As I understand the Euro 7 a lot of the emissions they target are non-engine related, such as from brakes:

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-9-2022-003315_EN.html


Plus, as we are no longer in the EU it may not be applied anyway, or bits will be ignored. Which we appeared to do when in the EU re: clean air.

In the same way that Gordon Brown told us all to drive diesel vehicles, I’ll give it 5 years before everyone twigs that this suicidal rush to electric vehicles is doing even more damage to the environment. Of course by then the ULEZ tax will have been replaced with road use per mile after every car has to fit a tracker to be monitored by even more expensive tracking mechanisms using up even more rare earth materials…it’s all a tax generating device, no more no less…….
 
In the same way that Gordon Brown told us all to drive diesel vehicles, I’ll give it 5 years before everyone twigs that this suicidal rush to electric vehicles is doing even more damage to the environment. Of course by then the ULEZ tax will have been replaced with road use per mile after every car has to fit a tracker to be monitored by even more expensive tracking mechanisms using up even more rare earth materials…it’s all a tax generating device, no more no less…….
On its most basic level it's pretty obvious continually making new vehicles leaves a massive carbon footprint alone.

You're dead right and I've been saying it for ages - the focus on emissions neglects other environmental pollutants inherent in vehicle manufacturing and ownership.

Fairly obvious vehicles need to be taxed in some way, no big deal. Road duty is significant and its utterly unsustainable to let 'clean vehicles' go tax free for ever.

The unpalatable truth is that our lifestyles need to fundamentally change to be more sustainable. A lot of these schemes and legislation do very very little or are a distraction.

This is precisely why I know we are probably doomed.
 
Do you think shops businesses deliberately hike prices up under the present circumstances?

EG - on purpose ?
By deliberately hike up, do you mean to protect their profit margins? I suspect so and, to an extent, I appreciate why they'll end up doing it.

The issue is by how much due to the affordability to the public, so hiking up prices (passing on increased costs to the public) isn't something they'll do easily.

If things become too expensive, they may get less sales, which means less income, and that will mean they've got less cash to cover their increased costs.

It's a cycle.
 
Do you think shops businesses deliberately hike prices up under the present circumstances?

EG - on purpose ?
Of course.
Just look, at petrol. Think I read it should be 15p a litre lower than what the supermarkets are charging. Plenty of indie garages around mine now a lot cheaper than Tesco.
There is no need for some of it. Little example. The steaks we get the dogs a few months ago were £3 for a pack of 2. Now £4.50. Saw the same thing in Aldi. £3
We had a chip "shortage" at our local tesco. We'll it was a whole frozen potato product shortage. Now we all know a shortage really means a price rise is coming. Its just a smokescreen. Pretend there are non, then smash the price up.
In a miraculous turn of events. The chip shortage lasted a few days. Boom, big hike in price. All across the board. I'm a vegan and I would say most stuff had gone up by at least 20% very recently.

I know Boris spoke of high price hight skill high wage economy.
We getting the high prices, without any of the other stuff.
The war is just a smokescreen. We know this just because of the stupid profits being made by the oil companies. Its nothing but a cash grab.
I always think prices were gonna go up majorly at some point. Reckon the companies have caught the government off guard a bit though. They have gone too far, public sector wages can't keep up and now we have all these strikes.
 
Of course.
Just look, at petrol. Think I read it should be 15p a litre lower than what the supermarkets are charging. Plenty of indie garages around mine now a lot cheaper than Tesco.
There is no need for some of it. Little example. The steaks we get the dogs a few months ago were £3 for a pack of 2. Now £4.50. Saw the same thing in Aldi. £3
We had a chip "shortage" at our local tesco. We'll it was a whole frozen potato product shortage. Now we all know a shortage really means a price rise is coming. Its just a smokescreen. Pretend there are non, then smash the price up.
In a miraculous turn of events. The chip shortage lasted a few days. Boom, big hike in price. All across the board. I'm a vegan and I would say most stuff had gone up by at least 20% very recently.

I know Boris spoke of high price hight skill high wage economy.
We getting the high prices, without any of the other stuff.
The war is just a smokescreen. We know this just because of the stupid profits being made by the oil companies. Its nothing but a cash grab.
I always think prices were gonna go up majorly at some point. Reckon the companies have caught the government off guard a bit though. They have gone too far, public sector wages can't keep up and now we have all these strikes.
My suspicion about Supermarket fuel prices is that the relationship with food prices and profits has changed.

I've read that previously fuel was used as a way to entice shoppers into store (a one stop shop) so margins were minimal on fuel, profits were made on other items.

Now I think it's harder to get margins across the board, hence they're keeping fuel prices higher.

I might be wrong of course, but I'm not sure I blame them from a business perspective as they are all battling to offer food at good value as a 'friend' to shoppers.
 
Of course.
Just look, at petrol. Think I read it should be 15p a litre lower than what the supermarkets are charging. Plenty of indie garages around mine now a lot cheaper than Tesco.
There is no need for some of it. Little example. The steaks we get the dogs a few months ago were £3 for a pack of 2. Now £4.50. Saw the same thing in Aldi. £3
We had a chip "shortage" at our local tesco. We'll it was a whole frozen potato product shortage. Now we all know a shortage really means a price rise is coming. Its just a smokescreen. Pretend there are non, then smash the price up.
In a miraculous turn of events. The chip shortage lasted a few days. Boom, big hike in price. All across the board. I'm a vegan and I would say most stuff had gone up by at least 20% very recently.

I know Boris spoke of high price hight skill high wage economy.
We getting the high prices, without any of the other stuff.
The war is just a smokescreen. We know this just because of the stupid profits being made by the oil companies. Its nothing but a cash grab.
I always think prices were gonna go up majorly at some point. Reckon the companies have caught the government off guard a bit though. They have gone too far, public sector wages can't keep up and now we have all these strikes.
Tesco where I live is charging 14p a litre more for petrol than a Tesco 22 miles away from here.
 
Tesco where I live is charging 14p a litre more for petrol than a Tesco 22 miles away from here.
Apparently, the price of petrol and diesel on the day is influenced far more by the wholesale cost they paid on purchase than daily fluctuations in the market.

If they bought the fuel for x, they will continue to sell it at x+their profit even if the market price drops and elsewhere sell it for much cheaper.

It's why the supermarkets don't have the same prices because it's how much that forecourt paid, which also includes cost of delivery (distance) from refinery.
 
Apparently, the price of petrol and diesel on the day is influenced far more by the wholesale cost they paid on purchase than daily fluctuations in the market.

If they bought the fuel for x, they will continue to sell it at x+their profit even if the market price drops and elsewhere sell it for much cheaper.

It's why the supermarkets don't have the same prices because it's how much that forecourt paid, which also includes cost of delivery (distance) from refinery.
Part of my mrs job in Tesco is to monitor the fuel price at the Morrisons store opposite, if they change their price Tesco will react and change their price accordingly, it’s a scam mate. 14p difference in a litre from the same branch of supermarket is not justifiable at all.
 
Part of my mrs job in Tesco is to monitor the fuel price at the Morrisons store opposite, if they change their price Tesco will react and change their price accordingly, it’s a scam mate. 14p difference in a litre from the same branch of supermarket is not justifiable at all.
I get that part, but if they react at one forecourt to another local forecourt, it doesn't change the prices across the entire network due to what I said above.

Wholesale prices are dropping at the moment (diesel has dropped over 10p per litre to supplier), so there'll be a big drop across the network soon.

If they paid the top price when it was ordered, which was days before it actually arrived, they aren't going to drop the prices hugely as it'll be sold at a loss.*

Once they get a new shipment, the price will drop unless a local forecourt drops theirs, and they have to react. *Regardless of what the average is.

The biggest scam is that the supermarket fuel is cheaper because they use fewer detergents, even though it's the same raw fuel from Stanlow as Shell etc.

Over time, you get far less MPG, and it'll lower the engine life.
 
As Pete says a lot of this is pure profiteering, it is spiralling out of control, the government has to step in with these Supermarkets, energy companies and petrol companies to investigate if these chronic times are justified.
Where it used to cost £40 a fortnight to run my car it's now £70 odd. My dual fuel bills were £92 a month now £241, with subsidy £174.
 
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