Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Ghost Rider]

Well they've cut down the isolation period in the UK and today they've done that in the States too, down to 5 days, in a reaction to this variant not being as infectious for as long/as serious for most people.

Well exactly, this version has shown to be weaker than the last. When we hit the next variant we will have concrete proof then of the likelihood of it mutating worse or whether this is a sign of covid settling down as a mild coronavirus like many others.

We will know by the summer either way.

 

[dholliday]

If it's with covid, then the key factor there is why are they (not down to the specific reason) in hospital?

Around 70% of Covid-positives in hospital didn't end up there because of Covid, rather they caught it in the hospital...this is (or should be) huge news:

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Doctor admits people testing positive after admission is major problem

Dr Zudin Puthucheary, a member of the Intensive Care Society and doctor in London, said the number of patients coming into hospital who 'happen to be Covid positive' is skewing hospitalisation statistics.

www.dailymail.co.uk

The Daily Mail is painful to read on desktop mode, but on Mobile with chrome it's a lot easier on the eye....and as rubbish as that site is for other stuff, its pandemic-reporting has been relatively decent.


the Telegraph have reported similar:

 

[Nymzee]

Around 70% of Covid-positives in hospital didn't end up there because of Covid, rather they caught it in the hospital...this is (or should be) huge news:

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All the latest breaking UK and world news with in-depth comment and analysis, pictures and videos from MailOnline and the Daily Mail.

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Doctor admits people testing positive after admission is major problem

Dr Zudin Puthucheary, a member of the Intensive Care Society and doctor in London, said the number of patients coming into hospital who 'happen to be Covid positive' is skewing hospitalisation statistics.

www.dailymail.co.uk

The Daily Mail is painful to read on desktop mode, but on Mobile with chrome it's a lot easier on the eye....and as rubbish as that site is for other stuff, it's pandemic-reporting has been relatively decent.


the Telegraph have reported similar:

Can’t believe you’ve just linked the Daily Mail, Allison Pearson and no science behind it to try argue your case lol

 

[woomy]

Scientific journals are behind paywalls. How do you access them?

That's actually very simple. Well, it is if you know how. There are ways. Not met many paywalls I can't get past within seconds.
Also if you are a student or know one. Uni libraries pay a small fortune to have access to paywalled journals.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

I think your phrasing of the bold is just about factually accurate, but a bit misleading here, but that’s fine as it’s about the emphasis, and too nuanced to parse here.

I don’t think there is a ‘lack of disregard’ [sic] for those rare side effects, they’re being massively closely monitored, and as more data comes out, scientific advice will change. Look at the changes that happened on the fly in respect of allergic reactions, blood clots etc. It seems to me like it’s all been well reported and the data available, and vaccine guidance and policy has changed as the evidence has changed, and it will continue to do so.

The 2nd bit in bold is obviously true. But I’d add people who ‘tend to trust institutional and scientific consensus / believe what you see on YouTube’ to that list of divides, and that’s a big problem.

Ive said earlier in this thread, my prediction is, I think (I hope) Omicron will be the death knell for Covid, and the next year will see us turn a corner. A further 2 years of social and economic return to equilibrium, then a ‘roaring 20s’ effect, where the youth who’ve missed out on so much, will get their funk on in a sex and drugs free for all, which I hope results in some well needed social and cultural change.

Hope you're right mate - the point I've tried to make recently (maybe poorly I don't know) is that the time the scientists see potential long term damage of side effects on those who've suffered them it could be too late.

Like COVID itself we still don't know a lot of the long term effects on our systems hence why im preaching for caution and not jabbing away left, right and centre unless absolutely necessary until more data comes in.

For example I was referred to a specialist by my GP in late July/early August I believe and my appointment isn't until next month due to back logs in the NHS.

Now if my situation is mirrored by others around the country you wouldn't get this information into the public domain medically until at minimum next year in which by then another 1-2 jabs could have been administered per person.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I’ve seen the % of vaccinated COVID patients that are in the hospital. I deduce that a number of them are in there because of it due to the sheer number of them whilst you argue none are.

I’ll be as condescending as I like till you can come up with a reasoned and intellectual argument.

You deduce?

Sorry but until you either have a scientific background to back your deducing up or you have actual proof then you are just saying the same thing as me. Case and point, I deduce differently , so what makes your deducing (or guessing, lets be honest here) more accurate?

Because my deducing is based on the fact that we are getting over 100 thousand positive tests a day , during the winter which has always had a bigger demand on the health service even before all of this. So the chance that the two may cross over is more than just a guess.

That and the vaccine works in reducing the effect of covid , in an already milder version and we have months of data and first hand reports that the at the very least majority of covid patients in hospital seriously ill were unvaccinated , from both this country and overseas.

So what are you basing your guessing on?

 

[dholliday]

Can’t believe you’ve just linked the Daily Mail, Allison Pearson and no science behind it to try argue your case lol

The reports are based on analysis of publicly-available NHS Data.

Is that science enough for you?

 

[coollino]

That's actually very simple. Well, it is if you know how. There are ways. Not met many paywalls I can't get past within seconds.
Also if you are a student or know one. Uni libraries pay a small fortune to have access to paywalled journals.

is that the whole journal with references or just the abstract?

then you have to understand them enough to process the information correctly.

I deal with scientific journals/peer papers every day at work, I have done for 5 plus years, and I couldn't confidently interpretate the majority

 

[Nymzee]

The reports are based on analysis of publicly-available NHS Data.

Is that science enough for you?

Not at all, show the data and then tie it to the tweet. Can’t believe you posted her Twitter of all the people you looked to.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Around 70% of Covid-positives in hospital didn't end up there because of Covid, rather they caught it in the hospital...this is (or should be) huge news:

News Headlines | Today's UK & World News | Daily Mail Online

All the latest breaking UK and world news with in-depth comment and analysis, pictures and videos from MailOnline and the Daily Mail.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Doctor admits people testing positive after admission is major problem

Dr Zudin Puthucheary, a member of the Intensive Care Society and doctor in London, said the number of patients coming into hospital who 'happen to be Covid positive' is skewing hospitalisation statistics.

www.dailymail.co.uk

The Daily Mail is painful to read on desktop mode, but on Mobile with chrome it's a lot easier on the eye....and as rubbish as that site is for other stuff, it's pandemic-reporting has been relatively decent.


the Telegraph have reported similar:

It's been a known factor for months this.

It amazes me that people still argue against the notion that people generally go into hospital for a million other reasons and may just happen to have tested positive in the process.

I mean we are currently at a 700 thousand positive tests a week now on average and the chance that the two may cross over is like suggesting 5g causes covid.

 

[Amw79]

Hope you're right mate - the point I've tried to make recently (maybe poorly I don't know) is that the time the scientists see potential long term damage of side effects on those who've suffered them it could be too late.

Like COVID itself we still don't know a lot of the long term effects on our systems hence why im preaching for caution and not jabbing away left, right and centre unless absolutely necessary until more data comes in.

For example I was referred to a specialist by my GP in late July/early August I believe and my appointment isn't until next month due to back logs in the NHS.

Now if my situation is mirrored by others you wouldn't get this information into the public domain medically until at minimum next year in which by then another 1-2 jabs could have been administered per person.

To be fair though FB, the side effects you‘re talking about (I.e. your ones and myocarditis) aren’t long term ones, they’re short term ones which are being reported, tracked, monitored, and used to build more data. (potential long term effects, is a different conversation).

Your experience of a bad side effect (which I’m not unsympathetic to), is no different to my experience of having no side effects from the vaccines, Our personal experience is scientifically irrelevant in the face of data from c3.5 billion people who‘ve had the vaccine (I‘m not saying your own experience is irrelevant to you).

I’m not blind to the potential bad side effects, but they have to be put into context. You’ve been quite keen to put up the stats from our yellow card system about c1500 deaths following a vaccine. But even if that is accurate (which is debatable) they have to be put in the context of at least 40m people having had 2+ vaccines, and 150,000 people having died of covid.

I don’t think we’re disagreeing on that much. For a change (a Xmas miracle).

 

[peteblue]

Anyway , to all our Welsh, Scottish and Irish friends, I hope you all enjoy your New Years Eve celebrations in Liverpool, Bristol and Newcastle…….

 

[Kev The Rat]

Right... but France are still experiencing massive hospitalisation rates due to their Delta wave and now have Omicron on top of that. Germany have not really got it that right at all in the last year since initially smashing it. The Dutch government are getting pelters for going into lockdown...

The huge spike in cases isn't being reflected in hospitalisations. That's a good thing.

Obviously it’s a good thing that more aren’t in hospital but we can already see the PFA deciding when to play and when not to in lieu of a proper enforced winter break - creating a huge mess.

Better to set up proper parameters now because we are dangerously close to unraveling completely

 

[MikeH72]

Anyway , to all our Welsh, Scottish and Irish friends, I hope you all enjoy your New Years Eve celebrations in Liverpool, Bristol and Newcastle…….

Pete, they aren’t allowed out of their countries.

 

[Kev The Rat]

Pete, they aren’t allowed out of their countries.

Why do you say that ?