Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Kev The Rat]

Is 668 people in hospital (with or because of Omicron, we don't know this split for certain) out of 159,204 confirmed cases (and keep in mind, Omicron is asymptomatic in a lot of people, especially those boosted, so they aren't counted) enough to lock down?

According to everyone else in Europe it would be, given the case nos.

 

[Nymzee]

With covid or because of covid?

Two completely different meanings.

Let’s say because of in this instance. If it’s not a risk to the vaccinated/boosted there should be zero people in hospital right now because of the virus. Is this the case?

 

[Ghost Rider]

and @Ghost Rider

Cold hard stats here my friends

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Not sure if that is in favour or against what I said?

Either way of and with are very much key now. It wasn't in march 2020 or February 2021 for the most part but 150 million vaccinations suggest of and with are important data now.

 

[urquattro]

Just checking, should I picture you like this?

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or like this?

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Is the top one a picture of a lab where they are creating a deadly virus?.

 

[coollino]

Not sure if that is in favour or against what I said?

Either way of and with are very much key now. It wasn't in march 2020 or February 2021 for the most part but 150 million vaccinations suggest of and with are important data now.

I thought a free thinking intellectual such as yourself would be able to work it out?

 

[Ghost Rider]

Let’s say because of in this instance. If it’s not a risk to the vaccinated/boosted there should be zero people in hospital right now because of the virus. Is this the case?

If it's of covid then there is absolutely a risk. No doubting that.

If it's with covid, then the key factor there is why are they (not down to the specific reason) in hospital?

I choose the believe that the vaccines work and therefore of and with is an important statistic now that we don't know. If we had that statistic then it would paint a clearer picture.

 

[Nymzee]

If it's of covid then there is absolutely a risk. No doubting that.

If it's with covid, then the key factor there is why are they (not down to the specific reason) in hospital?

I choose the believe that the vaccines work and therefore of and with is an important statistic now that we don't know. If we had that statistic then it would paint a clearer picture.

So you have no evidence but have decided COVID is not a risk to those vaccinated & boosted? Your older personas tried a little harder to look smart.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I thought a free thinking intellectual such as yourself would be able to work it out?

Given of and with being different things , data is meaningless without context.

 

[coollino]

Given of and with being different things , data is meaningless without context.

He gave the context

 

[BlueToff]

So if 26% of total Omicron-hospitalised are unvaccinated...and the total amount of the population who are unvaccinated is around the same percentage...then why are the unvaccinated getting the blame for everything?

I don't think anyone should blame the unvaccinated.

I do think people should get vaccinated however to help give themselves a better level of protection. I don't think people who choose not to, should be considered second-class citizens.

 

[Ghost Rider]

So you have no evidence but have decided COVID is not a risk to those vaccinated & boosted? Your older personas tried a little harder to look smart.

Neither do you have evidence of your side. Just a bunch of numbers without context .

You go and show me data which shows double/triple vaccinated are in hospital because of covid and you prove your point. Otherwise you are saying the exact same thing as me with the same information, but being a condescending prick about it in the process.

 

[BlueToff]

With covid or because of covid?

Two completely different meanings.



Two years in though and it's infecting everyone and mutating weaker. I still don't get this attitude that it may get worse when we have proof that a combination of vaccines and antibodies all over the world are making the virus weaker. How long do you keep saying that until people just hold their hands up and admit that covid now isn't the same covid 18 months ago.

There is even an article today saying just that.

Well they've cut down the isolation period in the UK and today they've done that in the States too, down to 5 days, in a reaction to this variant not being as infectious for as long/as serious for most people.

 

[Amw79]

The vaccines have been a God send mate - I've always said the vaccines outweigh the risks of COVID however they aint 100% safe therefore im simply speaking from experience as someone under 30 who statistically is very unlikely to die of Covid but also one of the more likely groups to suffer potential bad side effects.

4-6 months post 2 doses there is very little danger of an under 30 dying of COVID therefore why the big push for them to be given a booster? Why the complete lack of disregard of the potential rare but serious side effects such as myocarditis to those particularly in that age group/men?

As I said Covid has become political now and you're either left/right commie/capitalist and now you can add covid fanatic/denier to the ever growing divide in our societies.

Thats why I dont bother "linking up" because as soon as someone see's the name of the poster giving that information they instantly disregard it as you're "not on my side of the fence" so to speak.

I think your phrasing of the bold is just about factually accurate, but a bit misleading here, but that’s fine as it’s about the emphasis, and too nuanced to parse here.

I don’t think there is a ‘lack of disregard’ [sic] for those rare side effects, they’re being massively closely monitored, and as more data comes out, scientific advice will change. Look at the changes that happened on the fly in respect of allergic reactions, blood clots etc. It seems to me like it’s all been well reported and the data available, and vaccine guidance and policy has changed as the evidence has changed, and it will continue to do so.

The 2nd bit in bold is obviously true. But I’d add people who ‘tend to trust institutional and scientific consensus / believe what you see on YouTube’ to that list of divides, and that’s a big problem.

Ive said earlier in this thread, my prediction is, I think (I hope) Omicron will be the death knell for Covid, and the next year will see us turn a corner. A further 2 years of social and economic return to equilibrium, then a ‘roaring 20s’ effect, where the youth who’ve missed out on so much, will get their funk on in a sex and drugs free for all, which I hope results in some well needed social and cultural change.

 

[BlueToff]

According to everyone else in Europe it would be, given the case nos.

Right... but France are still experiencing massive hospitalisation rates due to their Delta wave and now have Omicron on top of that. Germany have not really got it that right at all in the last year since initially smashing it. The Dutch government are getting pelters for going into lockdown...

The huge spike in cases isn't being reflected in hospitalisations. That's a good thing.

 

[Nymzee]

Neither do you have evidence of your side. Just a bunch of numbers without context .

You go and show me data which shows double/triple vaccinated are in hospital because of covid and you prove your point. Otherwise you are saying the exact same thing as me with the same information, but being a condescending prick about it in the process.

I’ve seen the % of vaccinated COVID patients that are in the hospital. I deduce that a number of them are in there because of it due to the sheer number of them whilst you argue none are.

I’ll be as condescending as I like till you can come up with a reasoned and intellectual argument.