Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Mutzo Nutzo]

I love the old lids who have clearly not been on a bike since about 1984 but are suddenly training for the Tour de France!

Step out of the house and its like you're in the middle of the Olympics 5000m steeplechase final. My vision blurred by a myriad of multi-coloured lycra flashing past.

Sooner the gyms are back open the better.

 

[Goat]

We keep getting told the number of infected are higher than we think, if thats the case why does the UK have so many negative test results?

Something really fishy in all that IMO.

 

[Catfish Blues]

We need to do that because the world can't keep grinding to a halt.

Basically this tells me that you're looking for information which supports the way you want things to unfold.

You're a really nice bloke mate, but you'd make a bloody awful scientist.

 

[BlueToff]

In the corona crisis, the video platform Youtube is the source and distribution of numerous false information . On Thursday the emeritus professor of microbiology at the University of Mainz Sucharit Bhakdi published such a video, which has been spreading rapidly ever since. It now has more than 300,000 views . Bhakdi wants to prove that the novel corona virus is not an extraordinary danger, but his numerical examples are questionable .
According to the Johns Hopkins University, almost 25,000 people in Germany are infected with the novel corona virus. The number of cases continues to rise rapidly. Chancellor Angela Merkel announced further restrictions on everyday life on Sunday . Sucharit Bhakdi, on the other hand, argues in his video that these measures against the corona virus are "senseless and self-destructive" - the virus is hardly more dangerous than a flu wave.
It is misleading. According to the World Health Organization (WHO), the Covid 19 pandemic has a number of properties that make it significantly more dangerous than common flu : a higher infection rate, a higher proportion of serious illnesses and the complete absence of a vaccine.

20 percent of all corona diseases are severe
Bhakdi claims that "99 percent of those [infected] have no or only mild symptoms". Although they are infected, they are not ill - the latter is less than one percent of those affected.

However, the Robert Koch Institute (RKI) mentions a manifestation index (percentage of infected people who actually get sick) in its coronavirus profile , referring to three scientific studies, between 51 and 81 percent . The RKI also says that around 20 percent of all illnesses are severe or life-threatening . Both are significantly higher values than Bhakdi states. The federal government assumes that 60 to 70 percent

of the Germans will be infected with the novel corona virus. If no countermeasures are taken, this point in time is reached very quickly and the health system is overloaded by the large number of patients. Countermeasures can slow this spread.
Bhakdi's "horror scenario" of the pandemic does not yet go far enough
Bhakdi assumes that the worst possible "horror scenario" is one million infected people in Germany, which, according to Bhakdi, would mean 30 deaths per day. Both numbers are set too low and are in clear contradiction to the already significantly higher death toll in countries like Italy and Spain. Hundreds of people are currently being sued there every day .

Bhakdi attributes the high number of victims in Italy to external environmental factors alone. He explicitly mentions high air pollution in northern Italy and China. "The lungs of people in these areas are affected and diseased very differently than our lungs."

Statistics from the OECD on the health effects of air pollution cast doubt on this thesis: in 2017, 450 people per million inhabitants in Germany died from the effects of air pollution. There were 436 in Italy and only 289 in Spain, which was severely affected by the corona virus. Before the corona pandemic broke out, Italy did not have an excessive number of fatal lung diseases .
No evidence that air quality plays a role in Covid-19
It has to be carefully scientifically examined whether the air quality has an impact on the distribution and chances of healing of Covid-19 - even the correlation of both measures alone would not be proof . Research institutions such as the RKI have so far not explicitly referred to air quality as a relevant factor.


Presenting the air pollution factor as the sole trigger of the crisis, as Sucharit Bhakdi does in his video, is unscientific . The biologist does not cite sources for his claim. Bhakdi consciously opposes the consensus of the scientific institutions that are fighting the virus in Germany and worldwide.

The video is currently correspondingly poorly received in reputable media. It is spread by people and groups such as conspiracy theorist Oliver Janich, anti-vaccination groups on Facebook, and also rapper Fler on Instagram.





As I said mate, hes a moron.

Wasn't meaning to be discrediting what you said. Like I said I purely posted it as a I found some of the points raised interesting. But yes for example the one about 99% per cent of coronaviruses being severe I didn't agree with - because isn't the common cold a coronavirus?

For example on the air quality point, I don't think you should have to be an expert to conclude that if there is more pollution then it's not gonna help if you get a virus which can lead to respiratory issues? While it's not 100% proven it is clearly one of the factors that will have to be taken into account when everything is examined after all of this?

Again I want to stress I'm not agreeing that the virus isn't serious. But there does have to be some discussion and debate as to what the long term solution is. Because a vaccine is going to be a while off and even then if this virus is mutating, will it be enough (I guess they'd have to treat it like a flu jab and have one every year)? Can the world be put on hold again and again?

 

[canuckblue]

Be a few inbreds being born in 9 months time.

Or, as it's called in Newcastle, business as usual.

 

[BlueToff]

Basically this tells me that you're looking for information which supports the way you want things to unfold.

You're a really nice bloke mate, but you'd make a bloody awful scientist.

Good job I'm not a scientist

It literally just popped up on Twitter mate and I read it and posted it on here.

I wasn't endorsing it all, I thought some points were valid. Just for debate. I'm taking everything from any side of the argument with a pinch of salt because frankly nobody has dealt with this well apart from South Korea / Singapore.

But, can the world keep grinding to a halt? It can't, can it? Populations under lock and key, all relying on handouts from the government? It's not sustainable.

 

[canuckblue]

Jogging should be banned at the moment.

Jog on, jog on...

 

[Catfish Blues]

Quite a few pieces raising the issue of infection rates with air pollution (some other social factors there obviously), but would be very interested to see how the data correlates.

There'll almost certainly be a link, pollution generally lowers the immune system and makes some existing medical conditions worse, but moving populations out of polluted areas, or massively reducing pollution isn't really a short term option.

Christ, think of places like Delhi and Mumbai ffs

 

[canuckblue]

Terrible.

Homeless roulette? Only in Vegas...

 

[Nymzee]

We keep getting told the number of infected are higher than we think, if thats the case why does the UK have so many negative test results?

Something really fishy in all that IMO.

I find looking too deeply into things to be of little positive effect.

 

[Nymzee]

Good job I'm not a scientist

It literally just popped up on Twitter mate and I read it and posted it on here.

I wasn't endorsing it all, I thought some points were valid. Just for debate. I'm taking everything from any side of the argument with a pinch of salt because frankly nobody has dealt with this well apart from South Korea / Singapore.

But, can the world keep grinding to a halt? It can't, can it? Populations under lock and key, all relying on handouts from the government? It's not sustainable.

Found the issue.

 

[Goat]

Wasn't meaning to be discrediting what you said. Like I said I purely posted it as a I found some of the points raised interesting. But yes for example the one about 99% per cent of coronaviruses being severe I didn't agree with - because isn't the common cold a coronavirus?

For example on the air quality point, I don't think you should have to be an expert to conclude that if there is more pollution then it's not gonna help if you get a virus which can lead to respiratory issues? While it's not 100% proven it is clearly one of the factors that will have to be taken into account when everything is examined after all of this?

Again I want to stress I'm not agreeing that the virus isn't serious. But there does have to be some discussion and debate as to what the long term solution is. Because a vaccine is going to be a while off and even then if this virus is mutating, will it be enough (I guess they'd have to treat it like a flu jab and have one every year)? Can the world be put on hold again and again?

Its a toss up currently, which breaks first, the countries economy or the health service.

We can always make more money, we cant bring the dead back.

So we choose economic collapse, for now.

I dont have any answers, its a cluster f of epic proportions.

 

[Tea_drinker]

Step out of the house and its like you're in the middle of the Olympics 5000m steeplechase final. My vision blurred by a myriad of multi-coloured lycra flashing past.

Sooner the gyms are back open the better.

Just seen one by mine. Big long gray beard, long dreadlocks, rs shirt, massive woolly hat; he managed to sort of jog/stagger 20 metres then fell to a spluttering pause and had to get his back rubbed by the silly woman who was with him.

 

[Goat]

I find looking too deeply into things to be of little positive effect.

Its like a transfer window for me, wake up, read the news see if we have signed Vaccine.

 

[canuckblue]

Just seen one by mine. Big long gray beard, long dreadlocks, rs shirt, massive woolly hat; he managed to sort of jog/stagger 20 metres then fell to a spluttering pause and had to get his back rubbed by the silly woman who was with him.

Watch him take a few more rests and you can shout, "Six times, baby!" at him