Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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I'm hoping that after this there will be a dramatic reappraisal of what certain jobs are worth. Hospital cleaners should get twice their current wage.
There's a start.

An alternative would be to ensure that them, doctors, nurses, paramedics, supermarket workers, chefs, binmen, delivery drivers, cops, fire-people and the rest who are now deemed essential can get to live in homes that they aren't at risk of being evicted from.
 
I suspect that fella got his degree from the internet.

What stands out in all this is how stupid "intelligent" people really are.

Hes a moron and he needs to shut up.

He's pukka.
But his theory on COVID-19 is widely discredited

For example

 
The problem is not, and has never been IMHO, that COVID19 is by itself that deadly.

The problem is that it puts those people who do have conditions (that are otherwise relatively manageable) into intensive care beds

Spot on.

Influenza is very rarely fatal in itself, people tend to die from flu related complications, but what @BlueToff and others seem to forget, is that the vast majority of people who die with flu or COVID-19, would live, possibly for many more years, if they didn't get infected.

So, when I read stuff like "this is interesting, but" or "I know it sounds a bit like a conspiracy theory but", then I'm 98% sure that what will follow is coming from a fruitcake.

Now fruitcakes are sometimes right, but they're almost always fruitcakes.
 
I disagree, both with that bit of your post and the article itself. The problem is not, and has never been IMHO, that COVID19 is by itself that deadly.

The problem is that it puts those people who do have conditions (that are otherwise relatively manageable) into intensive care beds, essentially all at the same time. If we are going to "take it on the chin" then governments are going to have to either massively increase critical care capacity in healthcare systems or just tell people they aren't going to be treated if they get it.

Obviously the former is the one they should go for.

Well it's catch 22.

We need to do that because the world can't keep grinding to a halt.

But, with the world grinding to a halt, loads of money is gonna be have to pumped into things other than healthcare which is what actually needs the funding.

Hopefully our measures from now to May/June or whenever it is will ensure that the next wave is pushed back far enough to be manageable by the time it does come.
 
Spot on.

Influenza is very rarely fatal in itself, people tend to die from flu related complications, but what @BlueToff and others seem to forget, is that the vast majority of people who die with flu or COVID-19, would live, possibly for many more years, if they didn't get infected.

So, when I read stuff like "this is interesting, but" or "I know it sounds a bit like a conspiracy theory but", then I'm 98% sure that what will follow is coming from a fruitcake.

Now fruitcakes are sometimes right, but they're almost always fruitcakes.

I'm not forgetting that at all mate. Not one bit.

I just posted the article as I found some of the points raised as interesting and some as valid. I said I didn't agree with all of it.
 
Okay mate

In the corona crisis, the video platform Youtube is the source and distribution of numerous false information . On Thursday the emeritus professor of microbiology at the University of Mainz Sucharit Bhakdi published such a video, which has been spreading rapidly ever since. It now has more than 300,000 views . Bhakdi wants to prove that the novel corona virus is not an extraordinary danger, but his numerical examples are questionable .
According to the Johns Hopkins University, almost 25,000 people in Germany are infected with the novel corona virus. The number of cases continues to rise rapidly. Chancellor Angela Merkel announced further restrictions on everyday life on Sunday . Sucharit Bhakdi, on the other hand, argues in his video that these measures against the corona virus are "senseless and self-destructive" - the virus is hardly more dangerous than a flu wave.
It is misleading. According to the World Health Organization (WHO), the Covid 19 pandemic has a number of properties that make it significantly more dangerous than common flu : a higher infection rate, a higher proportion of serious illnesses and the complete absence of a vaccine.

20 percent of all corona diseases are severe
Bhakdi claims that "99 percent of those [infected] have no or only mild symptoms". Although they are infected, they are not ill - the latter is less than one percent of those affected.

However, the Robert Koch Institute (RKI) mentions a manifestation index (percentage of infected people who actually get sick) in its coronavirus profile , referring to three scientific studies, between 51 and 81 percent . The RKI also says that around 20 percent of all illnesses are severe or life-threatening . Both are significantly higher values than Bhakdi states. The federal government assumes that 60 to 70 percent

of the Germans will be infected with the novel corona virus. If no countermeasures are taken, this point in time is reached very quickly and the health system is overloaded by the large number of patients. Countermeasures can slow this spread.
Bhakdi's "horror scenario" of the pandemic does not yet go far enough
Bhakdi assumes that the worst possible "horror scenario" is one million infected people in Germany, which, according to Bhakdi, would mean 30 deaths per day. Both numbers are set too low and are in clear contradiction to the already significantly higher death toll in countries like Italy and Spain. Hundreds of people are currently being sued there every day .

Bhakdi attributes the high number of victims in Italy to external environmental factors alone. He explicitly mentions high air pollution in northern Italy and China. "The lungs of people in these areas are affected and diseased very differently than our lungs."

Statistics from the OECD on the health effects of air pollution cast doubt on this thesis: in 2017, 450 people per million inhabitants in Germany died from the effects of air pollution. There were 436 in Italy and only 289 in Spain, which was severely affected by the corona virus. Before the corona pandemic broke out, Italy did not have an excessive number of fatal lung diseases .
No evidence that air quality plays a role in Covid-19
It has to be carefully scientifically examined whether the air quality has an impact on the distribution and chances of healing of Covid-19 - even the correlation of both measures alone would not be proof . Research institutions such as the RKI have so far not explicitly referred to air quality as a relevant factor.


Presenting the air pollution factor as the sole trigger of the crisis, as Sucharit Bhakdi does in his video, is unscientific . The biologist does not cite sources for his claim. Bhakdi consciously opposes the consensus of the scientific institutions that are fighting the virus in Germany and worldwide.

The video is currently correspondingly poorly received in reputable media. It is spread by people and groups such as conspiracy theorist Oliver Janich, anti-vaccination groups on Facebook, and also rapper Fler on Instagram.





As I said mate, hes a moron.
 
Am I correct in this?

UK. If you havnt had it, or had it and not noticed, by now, and you follow the rulez, it would be unlikely you will get it? Or unlucky.

Like me and Mrs R have been self isolating since mid Feb, or staying at home and not seeing anyone as we call it.

So unless I am a complete tit and hold hands and get sneezed on by half of Portishead, the chance of me getting it are pretty remote.

Or have I completely missed sommet?

As it becomes more widespread through the population, there'll be more people walking round actively infectious, so your ( personal ) chance of getting it is increasing.

Simple example, say for arguments sake, the virus is ten times more widespread than it was two weeks ago.

Some of the people who've had it won't be infectious any more, but there's still probably more people infectious than there was two weeks ago. So, if you have the same number of contacts in the next week that you did two weeks ago, then you're more likely to get infected.

Until it's more under control, the personal risk is likely rising.
Once the number of new cases starts to drop, then, all other things being equal ( essentially this is number of contacts ), then your personal risk starts to drop.
 
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