Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[efcfanwirral]

Big problems with damaged spleens I'm hearing going forwards. All ages all health types regardless of how illCOVID made the person. The idiot's of let it rip I want my social gathering might end up with life changing health problems. Hope it was worth it!

'The virus is still evolving at an incredible rate': How widespread is COVID now - and how many people are dying with it?

After four years of COVID, the virus is still affecting people in ways scientists are only just beginning to fully understand - and impacting the NHS.

news.sky.com

I've made the most of my social gatherings, concerts, festivals etc since the lockdowns got released (more than most probably), but I've done it in the full knowledge of the risk I'm taking - some of the studies out there make it VERY clear what the virus does to you, regardless of age and vaccination status in a lot of cases too.

I don't think everyone who doesn't actively read into this stuff has been given the opportunity to make an informed decision, as shown by that part of the article being buried near the bottom and those studies generally not getting the publicity they should.

I'm very much behind personal decision making, but it should be informed and the mechanisms should be there to avoid covid if you want to. The death data is flawed, in that you have to have an active covid infection or be admitted with one to go down as dying from it, but it causes so much else longer term (and shorter term like strokes and heart attacks) that its clearly the cause of all these excess deaths.

 

[MikeH72]

Big problems with damaged spleens I'm hearing going forwards. All ages all health types regardless of how illCOVID made the person. The idiot's of let it rip I want my social gathering might end up with life changing health problems. Hope it was worth it!

'The virus is still evolving at an incredible rate': How widespread is COVID now - and how many people are dying with it?

After four years of COVID, the virus is still affecting people in ways scientists are only just beginning to fully understand - and impacting the NHS.

news.sky.com

It was.

 

[Bluerover]

I've Had it since Christmas. No energy no appetite, nausea horrible

Folks

Thanks for the kind sympathy. This week I am nearly back to my old self DG.

Eating well and spent yesterday and today working in the garden.

Much more energy - I think it is almost gone.

Best wishes to all my fellow Blues, and especially to those who are still suffering with some sort of health issue.

 

[jamieni]

I've made the most of my social gatherings, concerts, festivals etc since the lockdowns got released (more than most probably), but I've done it in the full knowledge of the risk I'm taking - some of the studies out there make it VERY clear what the virus does to you, regardless of age and vaccination status in a lot of cases too.

I don't think everyone who doesn't actively read into this stuff has been given the opportunity to make an informed decision, as shown by that part of the article being buried near the bottom and those studies generally not getting the publicity they should.

I'm very much behind personal decision making, but it should be informed and the mechanisms should be there to avoid covid if you want to. The death data is flawed, in that you have to have an active covid infection or be admitted with one to go down as dying from it, but it causes so much else longer term (and shorter term like strokes and heart attacks) that its clearly the cause of all these excess deaths.

I recall listening to a podcast on the Spanish flu pandemic and the long term effects - I think an increase in Parkinson’s was potentially linked. Sadly I think these sorts of long term effects are inevitable after a pandemic, however badly managed it was .

 

[Amw79]

I recall listening to a podcast on the Spanish flu pandemic and the long term effects - I think an increase in Parkinson’s was potentially linked. Sadly I think these sorts of long term effects are inevitable after a pandemic, however badly managed it was .

Yeah, I read a couple of studies looking at excess death numbers after the Spanish flu, and they’re way high for years after the initial waves, for a variety of different causes. Viruses do damage to the body and have loads of after effects.

 

[jamieni]

Yeah, I read a couple of studies looking at excess death numbers after the Spanish flu, and they’re way high for years after the initial waves, for a variety of different causes. Viruses do damage to the body and have loads of after effects.

Yeah I don’t think we can ever out run nature. Eventually something is going to come along and cause havoc. Albeit our preparedness seemed to have been pretty poor.

 

[Prevenger17]

It was.

So brave. So courageous

 

[Runub]

Strange

German patient vaccinated against Covid 217 times

Researchers have written up the unusual case in a medical journal.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[summerisle]

 

[Amw79]

I guess Right Said Fred were unavailable.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

I guess Right Said Fred were unavailable.

Possibly too sexy for it as well I’d imagine

 

[verreauxi]

This is a fascinating read. An entrepreneur/mathematician set up the system (using fancy Bayesian probability theory) to assess different probabilities of hypotheses, such as debunking claims of conspiracy theorist. The entrepreneur is largely an "anti-conspiracy" rationalist, but believes that COVID came from a leak in a lab. He set up a 90-hour debate with another fellow who believes in the zoonotic origin; they got impartial judges and were given months to prepare. The entrepreneur also put up 100K if he lost.

Well he lost. The judges (who were all PhDs in quantitative sciences) and his fancy mathematical system indicated that the best evidence supports a zoonotic origin, not a lab leak. So the entrepreneur had to do a bunch of special-pleading ways to say the debate was rigged, that the fancy system that he himself set up that mathematically helps arbitrate support for each hypothesis was in error..etc.

Summary here:

Lableak truther loses $100,000 in his own debate

Scientific literacy can be lucrative in the age of myth and manipulation

protagonistfuture.substack.com

 

[Rita_Poon]

Another stinking scumbag liar.

Vaughan Gething says lost pandemic WhatsApp messages are 'real embarrassment'

The former health minister has defended his use of mobile phone messages at the UK Covid-19 Inquiry

www.dailypost.co.uk

If prepared to call boris and his acolytes out for their missing* whatsapp evidence, and similarly sturgeon and her rowdy rabble the same, then this toerag cops the same. Bellend.

 

[tsubaki]

This is a fascinating read. An entrepreneur/mathematician set up the system (using fancy Bayesian probability theory) to assess different probabilities of hypotheses, such as debunking claims of conspiracy theorist. The entrepreneur is largely an "anti-conspiracy" rationalist, but believes that COVID came from a leak in a lab. He set up a 90-hour debate with another fellow who believes in the zoonotic origin; they got impartial judges and were given months to prepare. The entrepreneur also put up 100K if he lost.

Well he lost. The judges (who were all PhDs in quantitative sciences) and his fancy mathematical system indicated that the best evidence supports a zoonotic origin, not a lab leak. So the entrepreneur had to do a bunch of special-pleading ways to say the debate was rigged, that the fancy system that he himself set up that mathematically helps arbitrate support for each hypothesis was in error..etc.

Summary here:

Lableak truther loses $100,000 in his own debate

Scientific literacy can be lucrative in the age of myth and manipulation

protagonistfuture.substack.com

It was an interesting read, but it does fall into the same trap that the likes of Rogan use - that you can use debate to "find" an answer to a question between two points of view. Neither Wilf nor Miller personally possess the knowledge that would enable them to answer this for themselves, which is also a common feature of Roganist debates of this kind... they are just entertaining at putting "their" points across.

The reality is that we don't know now; in fact we will probably never know how it started and all we can say with any certainty is one option is more likely than the others.

 

[Titus Bramble]

This is a fascinating read. An entrepreneur/mathematician set up the system (using fancy Bayesian probability theory) to assess different probabilities of hypotheses, such as debunking claims of conspiracy theorist. The entrepreneur is largely an "anti-conspiracy" rationalist, but believes that COVID came from a leak in a lab. He set up a 90-hour debate with another fellow who believes in the zoonotic origin; they got impartial judges and were given months to prepare. The entrepreneur also put up 100K if he lost.

Well he lost. The judges (who were all PhDs in quantitative sciences) and his fancy mathematical system indicated that the best evidence supports a zoonotic origin, not a lab leak. So the entrepreneur had to do a bunch of special-pleading ways to say the debate was rigged, that the fancy system that he himself set up that mathematically helps arbitrate support for each hypothesis was in error..etc.

Summary here:

Lableak truther loses $100,000 in his own debate

Scientific literacy can be lucrative in the age of myth and manipulation

protagonistfuture.substack.com

I find this such a strange thing to believe... anyone with a background in genetics/virology could tell you that the virus was not 'man made'.

Or, if it was, the 'inventor' went to extraordinary lengths to make it look like it actually has zoonotic origins.