Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[BlueToff]

Politicians and media told us if you took the vaccine you would never catch it and never transmit it. They even hinted at elimination.

Anyone who read beyond that at what the scientists said would know what you said but the vast majority don't and are still taken by surprise by a double/ triple vaccinated person catching it

They didn't

 

[BlueToff]

You’ve acknowledged that it was a worst case scenario here, but the other thing to acknowledge it that it wasn’t a prediction, it was part of a range of scenario forecasting, which is perfectly correct to do in this situation.

Make a range of forecasts for many different scenarios, then track the real world data to build evidence for which scenario is playing out.

Just throwing that one scenario back and saying it was a prediction, implies that scientists or SAGE saw it as a likely outcome, when the reality is that it would have been clearly stated as an extremely low probably likelihood.

UK scientists: bring in curbs now or face up to 2m daily Covid infections as Omicron spreads

Deaths could hit 6,000 a day and delaying restrictions until New Year will cut effectiveness, say Sage experts

www.theguardian.com

It was publicised as such

 

[BlueToff]

Good to hear mate, hopefully it peaks today. A lot of people have said anecdotally Omicron comes on more quickly than Delta but is a shorter course. I see the CDC reduced the isolation time in the states yesterday from 10 to 5 days.

Rotten luck mind and not to go into your personal situation, but it shows maybe how Omicron is a tricky strain in terms of antibody escape be it vaccine or previous infection. You'd think after your jabs and previous infection, you'd be up there with the best on antibody levels. Hopefully though they are leading to milder and shorter impact this time.

Yeah they say the time for Omicron to hospital (for those unfortunate) is 10 days - whereas Delta and the other waves was more like 2 weeks.

There's also evidence Omicron hits within 12-24 hours, whereas other strains were 2-3 days. This would tally with me seeing my friend on Boxing Day and feeling a bit naff yesterday. Also that the evidence so far is like you say 3-4 days of symptoms. But I know plenty of people around my age who have got it now and none of them have had more than 1-2 days of feeling off.

Yeah, well aware that it's definitely one that evades the immune response and the vaccines more. I have all the protection available to me and still got it. But I'm confident it'll be nowhere near as bad. The line on the LFT is so thin it's hard to even tell it's there, but I've had my PCR now. I'm really not worried at all. I know how bad Delta (or whatever I had in the summer) was, but that was with just one dose. This is a milder strain and I'm double jabbed so can't see it being anything worse than a few days of rest, if that. Honestly feel fine, which given how crap I felt this morning is remarkable.

 

[efcfanwirral]

Er, when?

For months across the world. Even Biden said get the vaccine and you won't get covid. All the talk of vaccine passports was about transmission, if you take it you're safe to be around others. People, especially in America it seems, are TERRIFIED of being around unvaccinated people as if they're permanently infected. New Zealand went for zero covid with the idea to eventually rely on vaccines to achieve it until they realised it was impossible.

Much of it implied, but only recently everyone is seeing its about preventing serious illness. It's a reason to keep them locked out of society but not to fear them

 

[mill]

For months across the world. Even Biden said get the vaccine and you won't get covid. All the talk of vaccine passports was about transmission, if you take it you're safe to be around others. People, especially in America it seems, are TERRIFIED of being around unvaccinated people as if they're permanently infected. New Zealand went for zero covid with the idea to eventually rely on vaccines to achieve it until they realised it was impossible.

Do you have any references?

I’ve not seen anything at all to that effect.

 

[sbbefc]

There seems to be a bit of a blind spot in terms of what people think a vaccine is for.

The aim of a vaccine is to teach your immune system to fight a virus. It teaches your body to recognise a threat and generate a response to that threat before the threat makes you seriously ill. That’s it really. "In some cases the immune system will identify the virus and contain it before it replicates enough to even flag as present in the system via a test. In other people it contains the virus enough that it doesn’t do much damage but is still present enough that tests show that you have it.

What they don’t do is stop the virus from entering your system, and, if your immune system is compromised for whatever reason it still might not be strong enough to combat the virus. Particularly if a lot of the virus enters into your system in the first place.

To say that they aren’t effective based on their objective is frankly ignoring all data on the subject.

I'm in a situation now where my partner tested positive 9 days ago (via LF and confirmed by PCR). I've been doing LFs daily and I'm still negative. I've had no symptoms and she had very mild congestion (barely a symptom). Can I still pass it on if I've fended it off at the early stages? Do I have antibodies now? My booster was two weeks ago.

 

[Nymzee]

For months across the world. Even Biden said get the vaccine and you won't get covid. All the talk of vaccine passports was about transmission, if you take it you're safe to be around others. People, especially in America it seems, are TERRIFIED of being around unvaccinated people as if they're permanently infected. New Zealand went for zero covid with the idea to eventually rely on vaccines to achieve it until they realised it was impossible.

Much of it implied, but only recently everyone is seeing its about preventing serious illness. It's a reason to keep them locked out of society but not to fear them

You'd have to be a complete moron to believe this in the first place though.

 

[Deckard2049]

There seems to be a bit of a blind spot in terms of what people think a vaccine is for.

The aim of a vaccine is to teach your immune system to fight a virus. It teaches your body to recognise a threat and generate a response to that threat before the threat makes you seriously ill. That’s it really. In some cases the immune system will identify the virus and contain it before it replicates enough to even flag as present in the system via a test. In other people it contains the virus enough that it doesn’t do much damage but is still present enough that tests show that you have it.

What they don’t do is stop the virus from entering your system, and, if your immune system is compromised for whatever reason it still might not be strong enough to combat the virus. Particularly if a lot of the virus enters into your system in the first place.

To say that they aren’t effective based on their objective is frankly ignoring all data on the subject.

And yet whenever the thorny issue of whether children should be vaccinated crops up the primary reason is said to be that it will massively reduce transmission amongst their peers and more importantly to the adults they interact with. So do you believe the vaccine reduces the likelihood of transmitting covid?

 

[MikeH72]

For the up to date fully vaccinated only of course. I imagine we're looking at vaccine only passes permanently too, which I doubt many would complain about. I'd never use one, don't want anything to do with that sort of society, but I've already accepted I won't be doing the things I used to enjoy anymore.

Not being funny but how can you just accept that?

 

[mill]

And yet whenever the thorny issue of whether children should be vaccinated crops up the primary reason is said to be that it will massively reduce transmission amongst their peers and more importantly to the adults they interact with. So do you believe the vaccine reduces the likelihood of transmitting covid?

Yes. Which is what I said in the post. ‘Not getting it’ is basically someone’s immune system responding to an extent the virus is contained before it can replicate enough to appear on tests.

They might not mean complete immunity but they reduce your chances of contacting it relative to being unvaccinated.

Children are carriers and anything to reduce the chances of that is helpful.

Even at low efficacy. Once you get to the 4th or 5th subsequent infection the difference in transmission are meaningful.

 

[Deckard2049]

For months across the world. Even Biden said get the vaccine and you won't get covid. All the talk of vaccine passports was about transmission, if you take it you're safe to be around others. People, especially in America it seems, are TERRIFIED of being around unvaccinated people as if they're permanently infected. New Zealand went for zero covid with the idea to eventually rely on vaccines to achieve it until they realised it was impossible.

Much of it implied, but only recently everyone is seeing its about preventing serious illness. It's a reason to keep them locked out of society but not to fear them

It was definitely said many many times across the pond. Here, I can’t really remember in fairness.

 

[MikeH72]

I have COVID - again. Great

Woke up feeling wiped out this morning - bit of a sore throat (had this for nearly 2 weeks now though so no shock there), body aches and fatigue, which is what was the worst bit in the summer, but nowhere near as bad as that I must say.

Tested myself, managed to have a lemsip and get back to sleep for another two hours. Woke up feeling a ton better in terms of the lemsip getting rid of the sore throat, and aches have gone, but there's a very thin line next to the T on the lateral flow.

Ah well, at least I got Christmas in ffs lol

Edit: And for anyone who doesn't know I am double vaccinated, had COVID (what I assume was Delta) in July, and was due my booster tomorrow, which I've now had to cancel.

Ah man you have no luck. On the plus side though you can still use your vaccine passport to go to @peteblue ‘s pub without scaring his vulnerable customers if you fancy a pint.

Take care fella x

 

[Amw79]

UK scientists: bring in curbs now or face up to 2m daily Covid infections as Omicron spreads

Deaths could hit 6,000 a day and delaying restrictions until New Year will cut effectiveness, say Sage experts

www.theguardian.com

It was publicised as such

So, no effort to understand what it’s actually saying?

I mean here’s a line from that article:

“based on their modelling, hospitalisations could peak between 3,000 and 10,000 a day and deaths at between 600 and 6,000 a day.”

No mention of the word prediction, and you’ve taken the upper end of that model, to bolster your existing notion that the scientists are wrong and trying to scare us.

A bit of effort to understand these things isn’t hard.

Sorry to hear you’ve got the ‘Rona again.

 

[efcfanwirral]

Not being funny but how can you just accept that?

With great difficulty at first, but if it wasn't covid it'd be climate change so mass events and long haul travel of the type I enjoy are on borrowed time anyway

 

[CharliePotato]

Not being funny but how can you just accept that?

Just another pathetic sheep.