Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Paris]

 

[Walken]

It was just about my opinion on it Bruce. I won't judge anyone else on what they chose to do if they get the vaccine or not. I think everyone should have at least two jabs because that at least is the basic level of protection from the vaccines.

If the vaccines only last 3 months... then we need better vaccines.

and they will continue to get better, minor miracle that they already are. But plenty on here will refuse to take any improved vaccine or booster because an arbitrary number of 2 is enough based on the imaginary internet guru of everybody's opinion matters equally on ever subject no matter what

 

[BlueToff]

and they will continue to get better, minor miracle that they already are. But plenty on here will refuse to take any improved vaccine or booster because an arbitrary number of 2 is enough based on the imaginary internet guru of everybody's opinion matters equally on ever subject no matter what

I'm happy enough to take the booster mate. I'm getting it on Wednesday.

I understand why people would have doubts if they say they need to go and dose up the entire population every few months though. I don't think that's a controversial opinion to hold. As a healthy 26-year-old, who will have had three doses of vaccine and COVID, then tbh I'd not be jumping up straight away for a fourth. COVID, even it's original state, never mind the 'milder' strain we have now, is not something that sends 9/10 people to their death beds or hospital. It simply isn't. 1/3 people even with the original COVID strains were completely asymptomatic. It's a hard sell to say we need to be vaccinating everybody against that every few months.

2 is also not an 'arbitrary number' - it was two vaccines to act as the complete dose. That's why these are being called 'boosters' after all.

It's just being able to understand why people have doubts is all. I'll say again, I don't think anyone should have doubts about the first two doses as fears they have surely have been allayed by all the real world evidence thus far.

 

[BlueToff]

BTW, my opinion isn't about not 'trusting science' or anything like that. I do trust science, albeit it's hard to trust the scientists that continuously get things wrong that keep cropping up on the news.

But, I think it's fair to have doubts and certain trepidation about the idea of boosters for everybody every few months. However, I don't think that will be the case so it's possibly all academic.

 

[Wizard]

I'm happy enough to take the booster mate. I'm getting it on Wednesday.

I understand why people would have doubts if they say they need to go and dose up the entire population every few months though. I don't think that's a controversial opinion to hold. As a healthy 26-year-old, who will have had three doses of vaccine and COVID, then tbh I'd not be jumping up straight away for a fourth. COVID, even it's original state, never mind the 'milder' strain we have now, is not something that sends 9/10 people to their death beds or hospital. It simply isn't. 1/3 people even with the original COVID strains were completely asymptomatic. It's a hard sell to say we need to be vaccinating everybody against that every few months.

2 is also not an 'arbitrary number' - it was two vaccines to act as the complete dose. That's why these are being called 'boosters' after all.

It's just being able to understand why people have doubts is all. I'll say again, I don't think anyone should have doubts about the first two doses as fears they have surely have been allayed by all the real world evidence thus far.

But no one is currently advocating for a 4th shot for everyone. Israel suggested one for over 60’s and the vulnerable. They are currently doing a trial to see what the efficacy of that is. Germany and the UK the same, we may need to but we don’t know yet.

This is what annoys me. People continue to overreact before things have actually happened. I’m not aiming this at you specifically but maybe if everyone waited to see what actually happens before getting bent out of shape before it actually happens then it might be a bit more relaxed. We’ve had quite a few on here complaining about potential restrictions which so far still haven’t come through. We have the most basic restrictions pretty much anywhere in the world. We’ve had quite a few complaining about having 4,5,6 shots in a year.

It might happen, it might not. Why not wait and see?

 

[BlueToff]

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But no one is currently advocating for a 4th shot for everyone. Israel suggested one for over 60’s and the vulnerable. They are currently doing a trial to see what the efficacy of that is. Germany and the UK the same, we may need to but we don’t know yet.

This is what annoys me. People continue to overreact before things have actually happened. I’m not aiming this at you specifically but maybe if everyone waited to see what actually happens before getting bent out of shape before it actually happens then it might be a bit more relaxed. We’ve had quite a few on here complaining about potential restrictions which so far still haven’t come through. We have the most basic restrictions pretty much anywhere in the world. We’ve had quite a few complaining about having 4,5,6 shots in a year.

It might happen, it might not. Why not wait and see?

I'm know that. What started this is me just responding to a post that was discussing it is all.

We will wait and see.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

But no one is currently advocating for a 4th shot for everyone. Israel suggested one for over 60’s and the vulnerable. They are currently doing a trial to see what the efficacy of that is. Germany and the UK the same, we may need to but we don’t know yet.

This is what annoys me. People continue to overreact before things have actually happened. I’m not aiming this at you specifically but maybe if everyone waited to see what actually happens before getting bent out of shape before it actually happens then it might be a bit more relaxed. We’ve had quite a few on here complaining about potential restrictions which so far still haven’t come through. We have the most basic restrictions pretty much anywhere in the world. We’ve had quite a few complaining about having 4,5,6 shots in a year.

It might happen, it might not. Why not wait and see?

Oh come on mate we know how the rodeo goes:

First its mulling, pondering, considering, weighing up (like Everton in the transfer market) a 3rd/4th/5th booster shot for the most vulnerable/elderly - said cohort gets jab - media/scientists announce how utterly amazing antibodies are produced and then said shot gets offered to over 50's then over 40's etc. and its never ending trying to battle "case numbers".

I dont have a problem with the elderly/most vulnerable getting annual jabs if needed its the constant BS the media churn out that if a 21 year old doesn't get his booster he's as good as being unvaccinated and will be dead within 12 months that winds me up.

Particularly when as I shown earlier the jabs are not without risk themselves therefore shouldn't be given out like skittles to anyone and everyone so frequently unless absolutely necessary.

 

[toffee82]

But no one is currently advocating for a 4th shot for everyone. Israel suggested one for over 60’s and the vulnerable. They are currently doing a trial to see what the efficacy of that is. Germany and the UK the same, we may need to but we don’t know yet.

This is what annoys me. People continue to overreact before things have actually happened. I’m not aiming this at you specifically but maybe if everyone waited to see what actually happens before getting bent out of shape before it actually happens then it might be a bit more relaxed. We’ve had quite a few on here complaining about potential restrictions which so far still haven’t come through. We have the most basic restrictions pretty much anywhere in the world. We’ve had quite a few complaining about having 4,5,6 shots in a year.

It might happen, it might not. Why not wait and see?

I blame the media for this as they are getting loads of mileage out of covid.

So many stories about what might happen. Government considering this etc. It's easy to blur the actual facts with conjecture with everything that is out there.

 

[carolinablue232]

But no one is currently advocating for a 4th shot for everyone. Israel suggested one for over 60’s and the vulnerable. They are currently doing a trial to see what the efficacy of that is. Germany and the UK the same, we may need to but we don’t know yet.

This is what annoys me. People continue to overreact before things have actually happened. I’m not aiming this at you specifically but maybe if everyone waited to see what actually happens before getting bent out of shape before it actually happens then it might be a bit more relaxed. We’ve had quite a few on here complaining about potential restrictions which so far still haven’t come through. We have the most basic restrictions pretty much anywhere in the world. We’ve had quite a few complaining about having 4,5,6 shots in a year.

It might happen, it might not. Why not wait and see?

The clinicians I know generally think it’ll end up being an annual thing, similar to the flu shot. Hope they’re right as that’s a pretty easy ask.

 

[carolinablue232]

Oh come on mate we know how the rodeo goes:

First its mulling, pondering, considering, weighing up (like Everton in the transfer market) a 3rd/4th/5th booster shot for the most vulnerable/elderly - said cohort gets jab - media/scientists announce how utterly amazing antibodies are produced and then said shot gets offered to over 50's then over 40's etc. and its never ending trying to battle "case numbers".

I dont have a problem with the elderly/most vulnerable getting annual jabs if needed its the constant BS the media churn out that if a 21 year old doesn't get his booster he's as good as being unvaccinated and will be dead within 12 months that winds me up.

Particularly when as I shown earlier the jabs are not without risk themselves therefore shouldn't be given out like skittles to anyone and everyone so frequently unless absolutely necessary.

Funny that you complain about over-exaggeration and then say something like this to try and make your point.

 

[Wizard]

Oh come on mate we know how the rodeo goes:

First its mulling, pondering, considering, weighing up (like Everton in the transfer market) a 3rd/4th/5th booster shot for the most vulnerable/elderly - said cohort gets jab - media/scientists announce how utterly amazing antibodies are produced and then said shot gets offered to over 50's then over 40's etc. and its never ending trying to battle "case numbers".

I dont have a problem with the elderly/most vulnerable getting annual jabs if needed its the constant BS the media churn out that if a 21 year old doesn't get his booster he's as good as being unvaccinated and will be dead within 12 months that winds me up.

Particularly when as I shown earlier the jabs are not without risk themselves therefore shouldn't be given out like skittles to anyone and everyone so frequently unless absolutely necessary.

You have paid literally zero attention to what I said. I see you’ve now brought your age limit down to 21. It’s been 40 year olds, 30 year olds before. Pick a lane ffs. And you haven’t shown anything. You cherry pick stats and never back them up with actual sources.

You’ve completely backed up my point in fact. Someone getting really wound up about something that hasn’t even happened. If you actually read what I said you would see that I haven’t said it won’t happen. I’ve said that there is no point getting upset before it has happened.

You also spout some incredibly dangerous and stupid rhetoric.

I’m not sure how @davek got banned from this forum but you are still allowed to chat so much dangerous rubbish

 

[JLW]

As a caveat, would you not consider that in 2020 we had multiple, long-lasting full lock downs that enforced social distancing compared to a freer 2021?

From what I've read, there was approximately ninety million cases in 2020 compared to nearly 210 million in 2021 with more deadly variants taking precedent?

So, it's not a simple comparison.

Yes mate this is correct regarding lockdowns, but in 2021 we were on our way to being highly vaccinated and we are told it reduces the spread of the virus which i think clearly it doesnt! We have had 5.5 million new cases since July 2021 to today with people doubled jabbed and boostered.

 

[JLW]

So what you are saying is the vaccine makes it more likely that you will die of covid?

No, im saying the vaccine is weak very weak.
Why are we all anticipating and fearing the worst regarding restrictions/lockdowns after having around 90% of the country vaccinated? It shouldn't even be considered if the vaccine was any good, and yet we have internet idiots screaming 'get jabbed you morons' to people whilst they sit there done in with covid after being trippled jabbed.

 

[Prevenger17]

Yes mate this is correct regarding lockdowns, but in 2021 we were on our way to being highly vaccinated and we are told it reduces the spread of the virus which i think clearly it doesnt! We have had 5.5 million new cases since July 2021 to today with people doubled jabbed and boostered.

I agree mate, I think we should defo scrap vaccines and go back to lockdowns and restrictions which were far more effective

 

[Bruce Wayne]

BTW, my opinion isn't about not 'trusting science' or anything like that. I do trust science, albeit it's hard to trust the scientists that continuously get things wrong that keep cropping up on the news.

But, I think it's fair to have doubts and certain trepidation about the idea of boosters for everybody every few months. However, I don't think that will be the case so it's possibly all academic.

Scientists who keep learning and adjusting their thinking based on new knowledge of what is largely a new virus. I do struggle a bit with your posts mate, as they always seem to take the form of "I do as I'm told and do believe in it, but..."