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If you look at the statistics from when omicron was 1st announced 27th of November
there was 7,774 people in hospital 921 on ventilators most likely that number is from the previous delta variant
Move forward to December 21st 7,801 admissions 859 on ventilators
There is a massive spike in infections but the numbers in hospital over that time span have not spiked in admissions
which really should be welcomed and not induce mass panic
And now we have sage modelling of hospitalisations could peak between 3,000 and 10,000 a day and deaths at between 600 and 6,000 a day
where have they come up with them insane predictions
there was 7,774 people in hospital 921 on ventilators most likely that number is from the previous delta variant
Move forward to December 21st 7,801 admissions 859 on ventilators
There is a massive spike in infections but the numbers in hospital over that time span have not spiked in admissions
which really should be welcomed and not induce mass panic
And now we have sage modelling of hospitalisations could peak between 3,000 and 10,000 a day and deaths at between 600 and 6,000 a day
where have they come up with them insane predictions
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precisely, which is why they should be explaining what the modelling is based off, because atm it doesn't add up
not saying it can't happen, they know more than us, but are they basing it on Omicron being as bad as delta, even though all the signs point to that not being the case?
These incentives didn’t change many minds during the summer but can always hope that they at least help encourage some.
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Pretty sure I heard we were gonna get 2m infections a day come Christmas day but not sure who came out with it.
It is explained, don’t think it’s a big secret like. The latest SAGE minutes I saw cited 2 modelling reports which they used for decision making.
Those reports were based on Omicron being same severity as Delta, and looked at scenarios of different vaccine escape, booster take up, etc.
My understanding is SAGE want to see UK data before making that determination (on severity), in case population differences (age, obesity, vulnerability etc) has a different outcome here. Hence why no decisions have been made, and no further restrictions brought in (yet).
I mean it’s not hard to work out what a change in severity will do to modelling, if say Omicron is 50% as intrinsically severe, it’s a fairly easy variable to change to work out the impacts, and I’d be willing to bet that if you and I are thinking about that, then ministers and scientists will be discussing it as well.
The Great Barrington Declaration: COVID-19 deniers follow the path laid down by creationists, HIV/AIDS denialists, and climate science deniers
Apparently signed by thousands of scientists, the Great Barrington Declaration argues that lockdowns in response to the coronavirus pandemic do more harm than good and that society should use "Focused
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Okay good stuff.
Yeah I read that bit on sage (and the gov) wanting to see the UK data. Issue is the panic caused by the media driving the 6,000 deaths per day stories etc (and people who are involved in sage giving those interviews).
I know mate, I know they will be.But there's no denying some people, Ferguson especially, have been happy to spew headline figures through this whole thing. But yeah, journalists have to do that for their job too, drive clicks etc
Think we're due the UK data tomorrow or Thurs, from what I read.
Well when you encouraged thousands to slobber over each other at the pit and Cheltenham, you tend not to want to make the same mistake again
Some serious points in that article but had to laugh at this threadThe Great Barrington Declaration: COVID-19 deniers follow the path laid down by creationists, HIV/AIDS denialists, and climate science deniers
Apparently signed by thousands of scientists, the Great Barrington Declaration argues that lockdowns in response to the coronavirus pandemic do more harm than good and that society should use "Focusedsciencebasedmedicine.org
Dr Bernard Castle, certified optometrist I think was my fav
Yeah, the only people I see panicking are in here, and it tends to be the same people who say don’t trust or believe anything the media says, while at the same time hitting the panic button!
Yeah, clickbait is a real problem, and media incentive structures are all wrong with digital media, but when the headline says “up to 6000 deaths per day!”, it doesn’t take much to find out thats the upper end of a range (In this case 600 - 6000).
I'm not really getting the joke on this. dismissing opponents of lockdown as cranks and nutcases doesn't seem a very sensible way forward when the policy being discussed is the total shut down of the economy for months on end every year. It's something the left does so often, going for the man not the ball.
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