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They haven't started training any additional doctors or nurses? The 'rushed' through students just got asked to work whilst doing the final year of their degree?

They've done nothing to make things better in the long run.
I'm sure they have - as in people who are going to medical school and nursing school etc will still be getting trained up. But that doesn't happen in the space of a year regardless.
 

a simple google shows they are doing it

have they done enough? No, I don't think so.

But I stress again, I don't think people would suddenly jump into healthcare after the last 2 years unless they are either dead set on that as a career or they are somebody who is focused on helping others in such a way that that's what they wish to do. The wages for frontline staff need to go up and I agree there, but frankly a 2-3 grand pay rise (which is probably fair to start off with - most nurses start on 21-23k, so IMO that should be 25-26k?) probably isn't going to sway loads of people during the midst of a pandemic.

Edit: I'd personally have a starting wage for nursing, paramedics, and policing, fire service etc at around the 26-27k mark. That means reducing the wages of the big earners at the top.
 

a simple google shows they are doing it

have they done enough? No, I don't think so.

But I stress again, I don't think people would suddenly jump into healthcare after the last 2 years unless they are either dead set on that as a career or they are somebody who is focused on helping others in such a way that that's what they wish to do. The wages for frontline staff need to go up and I agree there, but frankly a 2-3 grand pay rise (which is probably fair to start off with - most nurses start on 21-23k, so IMO that should be 25-26k?) probably isn't going to sway loads of people during the midst of a pandemic.

They’re gonna need a hell of a recruitment drive come April to replace the 100,000 they’re sacking.
 
They’re gonna need a hell of a recruitment drive come April to replace the 100,000 they’re sacking.
Yeah I mean that's just not gonna happen.

But I do not know why any frontline healthcare worker would not have the jab. I'm more open-minded, it's not my business kind of thing in the general public. But if you work in a hospital, then you should have all of the available protection to yourself and your patients. That's just how it is, to me. It's a choice you make to go into that career - whatever the reasons, people have a choice - so that choice comes with certain parameters. I think that's fair. But obviously sacking people isn't going to be the answer. I'd make it mandatory for anybody going into those systems from now on, though, barring medical exemptions (of which there are few).
 
They haven't started training any additional doctors or nurses? The 'rushed' through students just got asked to work whilst doing the final year of their degree?

They've done nothing to make things better in the long run.
Yep. Nobody was rushed through anything.
3rd year nursing students, were asked if they would like to work instead of study/placement. They got paid a band 4 wage. Then they qualified at their normal time
I believe some 2nd year students got band 3 wage. They then returned to uni, once the aspirate program ended.
You still have to do your 3 years, or 2 years if doing a master's.
The only thing that has really changed is the bursary is back. t a reduced rate to what it used to be. £5k for most general nurses, £6k for specialists like mental health and an additional £2k if you have children, to help towards childcare.
 
Haha yeah, wouldn't be hard!

Obviously it was a joke though mate! I know everyone has had it tough. It can be frustrating some times mind but you know, we get on with it :D

My sister and her fiance were stopped from getting a mortgage because Leeds council hadn't taken off a parking fine that wasn't even his but had been allocated to his space, like. They'd only had 12 months :D
Don't worry mate - I don't take it personally!

There are definitely massive parts of the council that are not fit for purpose - but there are so many internal teams working within it that it's gets frustrating to be categorised amongst all of the other useless ones!
 

a simple google shows they are doing it

have they done enough? No, I don't think so.

But I stress again, I don't think people would suddenly jump into healthcare after the last 2 years unless they are either dead set on that as a career or they are somebody who is focused on helping others in such a way that that's what they wish to do. The wages for frontline staff need to go up and I agree there, but frankly a 2-3 grand pay rise (which is probably fair to start off with - most nurses start on 21-23k, so IMO that should be 25-26k?) probably isn't going to sway loads of people during the midst of a pandemic.

Edit: I'd personally have a starting wage for nursing, paramedics, and policing, fire service etc at around the 26-27k mark. That means reducing the wages of the big earners at the top.
Most surveys into why people leave nursing don't suggest that pay is an issue (or not the main issue at least). Far and away a biggest challenge is stress and burnout, with this especially problematic if you're on night shifts. I think I've mentioned before, but GSTT aren't really tackling the root causes of stress among staff and instead allocate mindfulness apps and things like that which merely stick over it rather than address it. It doesn't seem to help that the commissioning groups are constantly asking the NHS to do more with less. There's a huge target culture.
 
Yep. Nobody was rushed through anything.
3rd year nursing students, were asked if they would like to work instead of study/placement. They got paid a band 4 wage. Then they qualified at their normal time
I believe some 2nd year students got band 3 wage. They then returned to uni, once the aspirate program ended.
You still have to do your 3 years, or 2 years if doing a master's.
The only thing that has really changed is the bursary is back. t a reduced rate to what it used to be. £5k for most general nurses, £6k for specialists like mental health and an additional £2k if you have children, to help towards childcare.
The bursary was considered a particularly stupid thing to remove by a couple of friends who teach on nursing degrees. Made the difference for quite a few good people from less advantaged backgrounds pursuing the profession.
 
Who cares what the WHO say. Governments know better.
Did you read @Number_25 's excellent posts yesterday? He works on the models used by the Welsh government and explicitly said that they strive to avoid lockdowns.
 
Most surveys into why people leave nursing don't suggest that pay is an issue (or not the main issue at least). Far and away a biggest challenge is stress and burnout, with this especially problematic if you're on night shifts. I think I've mentioned before, but GSTT aren't really tackling the root causes of stress among staff and instead allocate mindfulness apps and things like that which merely stick over it rather than address it. It doesn't seem to help that the commissioning groups are constantly asking the NHS to do more with less. There's a huge target culture.
That sounds familiar- I know quite a few from nursing who have quit, scaled back and gone p/t or taken on teaching / research posts in HE for these reasons.
 
Yeah I mean that's just not gonna happen.

But I do not know why any frontline healthcare worker would not have the jab. I'm more open-minded, it's not my business kind of thing in the general public. But if you work in a hospital, then you should have all of the available protection to yourself and your patients. That's just how it is, to me. It's a choice you make to go into that career - whatever the reasons, people have a choice - so that choice comes with certain parameters. I think that's fair. But obviously sacking people isn't going to be the answer. I'd make it mandatory for anybody going into those systems from now on, though, barring medical exemptions (of which there are few).
Don't forget though. People are still people and have their beliefs. Many have been in nursing for donkeys years. Decades before this ever happened. These people have their views and will stick with them.
Was talking to somebody the other day. She is a conspiracy theory nutcase and believes it is all nonsense. Like Bill gates and control everything kind of crazyz and she ain't alone in that.
 
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