Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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MikeH72 said:
But if you aren’t at risk of needing to go to hospital in the first place, why do you need to have it? What if you have natural immunity from having the virus too, meaning that you are just as unlikely to catch it as a fully vaccinated person?
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Well natural immunity in the situation I’m guessing you are talking about is because they weren’t vaxxed in the first place.

You also seem to be making a different argument here. You were initially talking about obese people. But now you are talking about natural immunity.

You do also realise surely that it doesn’t hit only obese people? Plenty of young, healthy unvaccinated people have had serious issues with covid.

And you have completely blanked the issue of health care workers having to deal with this.
 
Wizard said:
Well natural immunity in the situation I’m guessing you are talking about is because they weren’t vaxxed in the first place.

You also seem to be making a different argument here. You were initially talking about obese people. But now you are talking about natural immunity.

You do also realise surely that it doesn’t hit only obese people? Plenty of young, healthy unvaccinated people have had serious issues with covid.

And you have completely blanked the issue of health care workers having to deal with this.
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I’m talking about the impact on the NHS. The obesity analogy was because a poster was suggesting the idea of segregating unvaccinated people from society because they’re putting a strain on the NHS and taking up hospital beds, I wasn’t saying only obese people are hospitalised with covid.
 
MikeH72 said:
I’m talking about the impact on the NHS. The obesity analogy was because a poster was suggesting the idea of segregating unvaccinated people from society because they’re putting a strain on the NHS and taking up hospital beds, I wasn’t saying only obese people are hospitalised with covid.
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I know but it’s a false equivalency. I’m not advocating unvaxxed people being sent to a gulag. But bringing obese people into the conversation is ridiculous. It’s not a vaguely comparable situation
 
Prevenger17 said:
Because it's far more transmissable, the case numbers are alarming and they aren't sure how that will impact the health system in the coming weeks. Like, the messaging isn't particularly unclear
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And yet they are acting as if it will definitively be more severe. We’ll see in the coming days if there is a start of a rise on the hospitalisations. As of yet, it’s all up in the air. But there hasn’t been, yet, in other countries that are a bit further ahead of us.

So is that risk worth shutting the country down for?

I’m not saying it definitely isn’t by the way, I’m saying they should wait and see a few days before making such a huge call and maybe they should start using actual data from other countries rather than going on worst-case scenarios?

I don’t see what locking down this time next week does when Omicron is already hugely prevalent. And if they do lockdown, it has to be that all businesses are supported and there is a clear date out as quickly as possible.

Millions of people with three jabs, it’s ‘kin ridiculous
 
BlueToff said:
And yet they are acting as if it will definitively be more severe. We’ll see in the coming days if there is a start of a rise on the hospitalisations. As of yet, it’s all up in the air. But there hasn’t been, yet, in other countries that are a bit further ahead of us.

So is that risk worth shutting the country down for?

I’m not saying it definitely isn’t by the way, I’m saying they should wait and see a few days before making such a huge call and maybe they should start using actual data from other countries rather than going on worst-case scenarios?

I don’t see what locking down this time next week does when Omicron is already hugely prevalent. And if they do lockdown, it has to be that all businesses are supported and there is a clear date out as quickly as possible.

Millions of people with three jabs, it’s ‘kin ridiculous
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I’m not targeting you specifically but we haven’t shut down yet. It may well happen and looks like it may well do. But why not wait until we know before getting bent out of shape about it?
 
MikeH72 said:
The vast majority of obese people taking up hospital beds wouldn’t be there if they weren’t obese. Some of them in hospital with covid despite being triple jabbed, because they’re obese. We could go round in circles forever with this one.
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Not really, because obesity isn't something that can be remedied by spending five minutes visiting a vaccination centre two or three times a week.

Plus of course there are a lot more people taking up hospital beds that aren't obese, 90 year old smokers or other unhealthy types but who are being affected by the actions of the unvaccinated. They should not be made to suffer for the bad choices of others.
 
Wizard said:
I’m not targeting you specifically but we haven’t shut down yet. It may well happen and looks like it may well do. But why not wait until we know before getting bent out of shape about it?
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I will do, I’m very frustrated by it, all my mates are who are much less bothered really than I’ve been usually - it’s not about the going out thing or anything like that, you know, we’ll live, it’s the endless cycle of tosh.

The government is a mess, we know that, and the constant leaking makes things much worse. I know why we have to be cautious, the small percentage of a big number still being a big number thing etc, but all of these forecasts seem to be acting like the UK is a totally naive population (in immunity terms that is) - and it isn’t. There’s lots of immunity, through vaccines and/or natural infection, and they immunity is increasing all of the time with boosters.

I wouldn’t be against things like events or matches being capped capacity wise for a while, that’s probably sensible. I’m not against masks. At a stretch to keep hospitality (coffee shops here etc, not just bars) you could re-introduce rule of six perhaps.
 
tsubaki said:
Not really, because obesity isn't something that can be remedied by spending five minutes visiting a vaccination centre two or three times a week.

Plus of course there are a lot more people taking up hospital beds that aren't obese, 90 year old smokers or other unhealthy types but who are being affected by the actions of the unvaccinated. They should not be made to suffer for the bad choices of others.
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By “the unvaccinated”, you mean the people that are in hospital and unvaccinated? So the vulnerable who are unvaccinated? We might be getting somewhere here.
 
tsubaki said:
Not really, because obesity isn't something that can be remedied by spending five minutes visiting a vaccination centre two or three times a week.

Plus of course there are a lot more people taking up hospital beds that aren't obese, 90 year old smokers or other unhealthy types but who are being affected by the actions of the unvaccinated. They should not be made to suffer for the bad choices of others.
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The vaccines don’t necessarily stop you ending up in hospital with covid if you’re obese, though. They might just save your life.

Basically, keep yourself as healthy as possible and have the vaccines on top and get on with your life?

I really think you can say that if there’d somebody who is 30 stone but vaccinated and someone who is in shape and unvaccinated then neither have helped themselves against covid in different ways
 
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