Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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BlueToff said:
yeah I'm not looking to downplay it but by the same token there is a real danger we overestimate it and have people shut away for basically a cold mate

All my point was that at this stage it is too early to be sure so I get that. But the symptoms that are confirmed are the symptoms of the common cold so it's going to be very hard to tell unless you test and even then there could be issues due to viral loads etc. It's not like the other strains that had tell-tale signs of COVID that differed from normal flu or whatever.

What we do know is:

- cold-like symptoms
- double vaccine offers great protection from severe illness (i.e. needing hospital)
- booster vaccine - 70% protection against any symptoms at all
- most people who get Omicron have mild symptoms regardless of age/vaccine status but this very much depends on the individual
- it's 29% less severe than Delta
- it's a lot more transmissable
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“29% less severe In South Africa” an important qualifier though Toff.

I really hope that reduction (or more) translates into other places but issues like this thread


and this


make me want to see more data, especially given there is little capacity to spare in either UK/US hospitals.

Perhaps I’m too cautious but Covid has shocked me too often on the downside so I’m risk averse!
 
LinekersLegs said:
“29% less severe In South Africa” an important qualifier though Toff.

I really hope that reduction (or more) translates into other places but issues like this thread


and this


make me want to see more data, especially given there is little capacity to spare in either UK/US hospitals.

Perhaps I’m too cautious but Covid has shocked me too often on the downside so I’m risk averse!
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Sorry Legs, I thought that was .gov UK data - my bad.

The signs from Denmark are good, they are a few days ahead, though obviously lower pop/possibly better healthcare/health of the population.
 
navidson said:
The capacity in hospitals discussion is an interesting one

There are roughly 160,000 'hospital beds' in the UK

There are currently 7,611 people in hospital with Covid (less than 5% of capacity)

Is the issue not necessarily covid - but that their aren't enough hospital beds in this country full stop?
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Yes
 
LinekersLegs said:
“29% less severe In South Africa” an important qualifier though Toff.

I really hope that reduction (or more) translates into other places but issues like this thread


and this


make me want to see more data, especially given there is little capacity to spare in either UK/US hospitals.

Perhaps I’m too cautious but Covid has shocked me too often on the downside so I’m risk averse!
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I'm honestly just sick of worst-case scenarios being pedalled out as fact by twits like Ferguson
 
navidson said:
The capacity in hospitals discussion is an interesting one

There are roughly 160,000 'hospital beds' in the UK

There are currently 7,611 people in hospital with Covid (less than 5% of capacity)

Is the issue not necessarily covid - but that their aren't enough hospital beds in this country full stop?
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Seems to be that way in every country tbh.
 
Ghost Rider said:
This may be a stupid question but Google gives me nothing and it's a wonder of mine.

If covid (a respiratory virus) stops affecting people with the lungs , so no cough or shortness of breath etc.

What is sending people into hospital? I know there is the rare side effects of it like blood clots.

But in a general speaking way, covid has always been a cough, even in vaccinated it's affected breathing , even if it's not been too serious. But this new variant isn't causing a cough and the other symptoms are mild.

So what is the symptom that leads to hospitalisation now?
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I enjoy your musings and posts ??
 
navidson said:
The capacity in hospitals discussion is an interesting one

There are roughly 160,000 'hospital beds' in the UK

There are currently 7,611 people in hospital with Covid (less than 5% of capacity)

Is the issue not necessarily covid - but that their aren't enough hospital beds in this country full stop?
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Hugely complicates it for sure as far less room for maneuver either on an increase in patients or a decrease in staff.

And when you get an overload of one or the other it ends up with cancellations in routine care resulting in catchup with sicker patients.
 
Ghost Rider said:
This may be a stupid question but Google gives me nothing and it's a wonder of mine.

If covid (a respiratory virus) stops affecting people with the lungs , so no cough or shortness of breath etc.

What is sending people into hospital? I know there is the rare side effects of it like blood clots.

But in a general speaking way, covid has always been a cough, even in vaccinated it's affected breathing , even if it's not been too serious. But this new variant isn't causing a cough and the other symptoms are mild.

So what is the symptom that leads to hospitalisation now?
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Delta is still very much in circulation. People seem to have forgotten about that.
 
BlueToff said:
Sorry Legs, I thought that was .gov UK data - my bad.

The signs from Denmark are good, they are a few days ahead, though obviously lower pop/possibly better healthcare/health of the population.
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It's impossible to compare Denmark to the UK really. There are only 2 or 3 decent sized cities and a large amount of people who work in Copenhagen live in Sweden

They have a completely view on life etc too
 
coollino said:
It's impossible to compare Denmark to the UK really. There are only 2 or 3 decent sized cities and a large amount of people who work in Copenhagen live in Sweden

They have a completely view on life etc too
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Population of Denmark c6m
Density 137 km2

Population of London c9m
Density 5700 km2

Population of UK 67m
Density 281 km2

London alone would dwarf Denmark.
 
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