Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[grandjoeblue]

No. I am claiming what I said.

I have a close relative working in mental health and a family member who is one of those 'lower numbers in 2020'. You're talking nonsense and taking figures out of context to prove your own point.

 

[AdamEFC]

Can I still visit establishments such as the Raz?

 

[Seanjd]

This is why vaccine passports should never see the light of day. It has to be proof of negative test, that should trump everything. If we see vaccine passports brought in then it clearly isn’t about public health anymore.

I agree that they seem to have been brought in more of an incentive for people to get vaccinated than keeping people safe at events, but then again, you could argue that has worked, which in my opinion is only a good thing.

It should be proof of negative test for now, though.

 

[grandjoeblue]

It’s not true, for sure it will cost some, an exaggeration from me. A minority number of owners of nightclubs and 500 capacity venues losing their livelihoods is favourable to letting 10s of thousands die though. Not saying it’s nice either way.

Tens of thousands? Nope.

 

[bluelife]

For the Delta variant, it is found that you are 60% less likely to transmit COVID when doubly vaccinated.

 

[bluelife]

Tens of thousands? Nope.

Estimates from experts, not me.

 

[bluelife]

I have a close relative working in mental health and a family member who is one of those 'lower numbers in 2020'. You're talking nonsense and taking figures out of context to prove your own point.

I was asked for suicide figures, which I gave?

 

[Seanjd]

Can I still visit establishments such as the Raz?

I hope not mate.

 

[grandjoeblue]

I was asked for suicide figures, which I gave?

You think you're clever because you can read basic statistics. COVID isn't the only factor in life.

 

[Deleted member 48881]

Some in this thread act as though there is no trade-off going on. Restrictions cause a lot of harm. The virus free roaming causes more harm. Some seem to think we favour restrictions for the fun of it?

 

[Walken]

Cringing at all the “socialists” who are ok with businesses being shut down and working class people’s livelihoods being destroyed (while billionaire CEO’s rake in record profits) because Boris said they have to.

I'll be doing what the scientific consensus advises. I'll be doing it because I've seen my girlfriend, my sister and many friends nearly fall to bits as healthcare workers over the last two years. The same reason I despise the tories and never vote for them. The same reason I support socialised medicine and see healthcare as a basic human right. The same reasons I protested against cruel austerity measures.

I share a lot of your views on much of the media, but it doesn't mean anything to play the I'm the bigger socialist card because others are concerned about the virus in a different way. Most peoples opinions will be shaped by their personal circumstances and what goes on around them, wearing a mask in Tesco and following the advice of a doctor doesn't mean you've signed a pact with bezos, musk and all those other disturbing individuals who see every humanitarian crisis as an opportunity, because despite their obsession with wealth there is still a humanitarian crisis to deal with

 

[bluelife]

You think you're clever because you can read basic statistics. COVID isn't the only factor in life.

And that’s why debates need to happen, as there are so many factors in play. We’ve all got our opinions on the matter and are entitled to discuss them

 

[Seanjd]

I'll be doing what the scientific consensus advises. I'll be doing it because I've seen my girlfriend, my sister and many friends nearly fall to bits as healthcare workers over the last two years. The same reason I despise the tories and never vote for them. The same reason I support socialised medicine and see healthcare as a basic human right. The same reasons I protested against cruel austerity measures.

I share a lot of your views on much of the media, but it doesn't mean anything to play the I'm the bigger socialist card because others are concerned about the virus in a different way. Most peoples opinions will be shaped by their personal circumstances and what goes on around them, wearing a mask in Tesco and following the advice of a doctor doesn't mean you've signed a pact with bezos, musk and all those other disturbing individuals who see every humanitarian crisis as an opportunity, because despite their obsession with wealth there is still a humanitarian crisis to deal with

Well put.

 

[efcfanwirral]

I agree with this. There absolutely has to be some aspect of ‘living with the virus’.

While there are questions to be answered regarding the effectiveness of vaccines with Omicron, though, surely it’s better to err on the side of caution?

This has happened three times in a year now- a new, more infectious variant to throw us off course. Just as we're getting to a better position funnily enough.

And the vaccines are somewhat of a temporary band aid against infection, but stop severe disease for a couple of months before you need another. So it's not going away anywhere in the world no matter how many vaccines you make people take

So what does the next few years look like? How does anyone have any optimism for the future? This can and will happen every few months even if (when) we mandate the vaccines.

 

[TN Toffee]

These measures aren’t costing anybody their livelihoods, though.

Try telling that to anyone whose livelihood depends on tourism/travel. Not only are the travel restrictions prohibitive to people even coming to the UK, anyone who does manage to make it is effectively locked out of indoor events, sporting events, etc. because they won’t have access to the NHS app to the the QR code to verify their status.