Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[CharliePotato]

Do you have the up to date suicide numbers for the past 2 years to prove this mate?

Or cancer patients who have missed appointments and treatment.

 

[Seanjd]

Hundreds of thousands of lives were saved by these measures prior to the vaccines. The calculus has changed now, IMO. This virus is never totally going away, so while it sounds callous, we do have to weigh up what an “acceptable” level of death is versus the consequences to the living whether it be adverse effects on mental health, loss of livelihoods, children missing out on proper education, etc.

I agree with this. There absolutely has to be some aspect of ‘living with the virus’.

While there are questions to be answered regarding the effectiveness of vaccines with Omicron, though, surely it’s better to err on the side of caution?

 

[Ghost Rider]

In terms of the vaccine passports going to matches etc.

So you either need a vaccine passport to prove you are vaccinated or take a test and have it negative.

Me showing my passport will let me into goodison, where I could have covid but it's fine because I got my passport done a couple of months ago with my booster. So i could spread it to others?

If I am missing something there please explain to me!

 

[bluelife]

Do you have the up to date suicide numbers for the past 2 years to prove this mate?

There were fewer suicides in the UK in 2020 than in 2019.

 

[grandjoeblue]

These measures aren’t costing anybody their livelihoods, though.

This clearly isn't true though is it? Will clearly push some businesses over the edge. There is zero support available?

 

[verreauxi]

Decent, if lengthy read:

John Lanchester · As the Lock Rattles

Much of the poorer part of the world is still susceptible to the disease, and as long as it is, many more people will...

www.lrb.co.uk

 

[coollino]

Beers drinking well tonight, lads?

 

[grandjoeblue]

There were fewer suicides in the UK in 2020 than in 2019.

Anyone who works in mental health knows the demand for their services has massively increased. Are you claiming mental health is in a better position than before the pandemic?

 

[Seanjd]

In terms of the vaccine passports going to matches etc.

So you either need a vaccine passport to prove you are vaccinated or take a test and have it negative.

Me showing my passport will let me into goodison, where I could have covid but it's fine because I got my passport done a couple of months ago with my booster. So i could spread it to others?

If I am missing something there please explain to me!

I think if you’re going to keep the proof of vaccine/negative test it needs to be one or the other.

If you’re vaccinated, you’ve less chance of becoming ill with the virus but could still pass it on to others, which doesn’t have as much of an impact if you’re passing it onto others who are also vaccinated.

If you’re negative, you’re not passing it on full stop.

 

[Seanjd]

This clearly isn't true though is it? Will clearly push some businesses over the edge. There is zero support available?

But again, that doesn’t mean the restrictions shouldn’t be in place. Like you’ve suggested, It means there should be more support available.

 

[bluelife]

This clearly isn't true though is it? Will clearly push some businesses over the edge. There is zero support available?

It’s not true, for sure it will cost some, an exaggeration from me. A minority number of owners of nightclubs and 500 capacity venues losing their livelihoods is favourable to letting 10s of thousands die though. Not saying it’s nice either way.

 

[MikeH72]

I think if you’re going to keep the proof of vaccine/negative test it needs to be one or the other.

If you’re vaccinated, you’ve less chance of becoming ill with the virus but could still pass it on to others, which doesn’t have as much of an impact if you’re passing it onto others who are also vaccinated.

If you’re negative, you’re not passing it on full stop.

This is why vaccine passports should never see the light of day. It has to be proof of negative test, that should trump everything. If we see vaccine passports brought in then it clearly isn’t about public health anymore.

 

[bluelife]

Anyone who works in mental health knows the demand for their services has massively increased. Are you claiming mental health is in a better position than before the pandemic?

No. I am claiming what I said.

 

[bluelife]

Some in this thread act as though there is no trade-off going on. Restrictions cause a lot of harm. The virus free roaming causes more harm. Some seem to think we favour restrictions for the fun of it?

 

[CharliePotato]

I think if you’re going to keep the proof of vaccine/negative test it needs to be one or the other.

If you’re vaccinated, you’ve less chance of becoming ill with the virus but could still pass it on to others, which doesn’t have as much of an impact if you’re passing it onto others who are also vaccinated.

If you’re negative, you’re not passing it on full stop.

So if your vaccinated, you can still pass it on and all you need to go to a game is a vaccine passport and sit there with 40,000 people, who you can then pass it on to.

Makes sense.