Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[TN Toffee]

The it gets weaker over time is relevant ya know mainly because it gets weaker over time, Spanish flu weakened after about 2 years and 3 waves into something that society could live with, we are about 2 years onto covid now and at first glance with the new variant it appears to have undergone a a weakening has it weakened into something we can deal with time will tell and as I've said if this is confirmed it's time to ditch some of the restrictions, and get back to normality why anyone wouldn't want this to happen is beyond me, both your idea and mine would kill probably millions.

Is it a definitive fact that that's what actually happened, or after two years had it basically infected everyone and the world reached a point where everyone was either dead from it or had the antibodies? I honestly don't know.

 

[mill]

It did make itself less severe, and we learned to live with it popping up every so often.

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Viruses don’t *make themselves* anything. That’s not how evolution works. It’s randomness.

The original strain infected or killed everyone it would. There were likely a number of random mutations and the one that survived was the one that was less likely to kill its host. The virus that becomes most prevalent will always be the one that’s less deadly because viruses rely on hosts to survive.

But that doesn’t mean deadly variants can’t happen. Or that they can’t be incredibly dangerous, especially given how the world works now. It’s likely that a less deadly strain will persist. But left to their own devices, then there are plenty of opportunities for variants to infect, hospitalise and kill alot of people. They can travel alot more efficiently now than 100 years ago.

So probably best to be cautious in the meantime, no?

 

[Tipp blue]

Is it a definitive fact that that's what actually happened, or after two years had it basically infected everyone and the world reached a point where everyone was either dead from it or had the antibodies? I honestly don't know.

It's estimated that 500,000,000 were infected but like covid the true number is likley much higher.

 

[Tipp blue]

Viruses don’t *make themselves* anything. That’s not how evolution works. It’s randomness.

The original strain infected or killed everyone it would. There were likely a number of random mutations and the one that survived was the one that was less likely to kill its host. The virus that becomes most prevalent will always be the one that’s less deadly because viruses rely on hosts to survive.

But that doesn’t mean deadly variants can’t happen. Or that they can’t be incredibly dangerous, especially given how the world works now. It’s likely that a less deadly strain will persist. But left to their own devices, then there are plenty of opportunities for variants to infect, hospitalise and kill alot of people. They can travel alot more efficiently now than 100 years ago.

So probably best to be cautious in the meantime, no?

That's exactly what I've been saying and have said it multiple times that if confirmed to be a much weaker varient that mostly causes a mild sickness then maybe its time to let it wash over us certainly the healthy population and while we are doing so have a targeted lockdown of the vunerable, give the healthy people immunity. Yes this will cause death but probably a lot less than maintaining restrictions indefinitely like some think would be a good idea.

 

[Ghost Rider]

One of the worst things about this debate is how willing you (and others) are to just make stuff up and then cry whenever you are challenged over it. What you want to do really would lead to millions, potentially even hundreds of millions, of deaths if it was deliberately spread across the world. It is idiotic.

The problem with the debate is people's inability to listen to others. Since the beginning anything said differently is labeled a conspiracy theory and even when the debate is well balanced , one side still cries the same retorts of killing people whenever a different point of view is out across. It just feels like one side still refuse to shake from the worst case scenario viewpoint no matter how much evidence there is out there , simply at the mention of variant , mutation or hospital.

You challenged me on my thoughts that the vaccine works because you want absolute proof , yet anything stemming from Twitter is just as reliable as a bloke down the pub, blue tick or not next to their name. If you actually think about it, the fact you inferred last night that I am making stuff up personally that the vaccine does the job we have been told for 12 months, well that is just reaching a pointless discussion level. Never mind whether covid is real or not, disagreeing about how effective the vaccine is? What is the point? So I've learned a lesson from that.

The problem is , both sides have valid points but unwilling to listen to each other , to simply resort to shouting their points without any consideration.

 

[tsubaki]

The problem with the debate is people's inability to listen to others. Since the beginning anything said differently is labeled a conspiracy theory and even when the debate is well balanced , one side still cries the same retorts of killing people whenever a different point of view is out across. It just feels like one side still refuse to shake from the worst case scenario viewpoint no matter how much evidence there is out there , simply at the mention of variant , mutation or hospital.

You challenged me on my thoughts that the vaccine works because you want absolute proof , yet anything stemming from Twitter is just as reliable as a bloke down the pub, blue tick or not next to their name. If you actually think about it, the fact you inferred last night that I am making stuff up personally that the vaccine does the job we have been told for 12 months, well that is just reaching a pointless discussion level. Never mind whether covid is real or not, disagreeing about how effective the vaccine is? What is the point? So I've learned a lesson from that.

The problem is , both sides have valid points but unwilling to listen to each other , to simply resort to shouting their points without any consideration.

More fibs here as well, sadly. Anyone who can be arsed can see what you said yesterday about no one having died and no one being seriously ill in hospital who was double jabbed, and then can see what the Office of National Statistics said which disproved it.

I wouldn’t mind but the fact double jabbed people are catching it, are getting seriously ill with it and are dying of it is well known and has been repeatedly commented on here, in the wider media and by governments. The vaccines were never advertised as offering 100% protection, either.

So this isn’t a both sides issue, it’s one lot of people serially making things up that aren’t supported by much or, in your case, any evidence. When that is pointed out, obfuscation and more misleading statements follow. If you want your argument treated with respect, perhaps you could start by not treating the rest of us as mugs.

 

[Ghost Rider]

More fibs here as well, sadly. Anyone who can be arsed can see what you said yesterday about no one having died and no one being seriously ill in hospital who was double jabbed, and then can see what the Office of National Statistics said which disproved it.

I wouldn’t mind but the fact double jabbed people are catching it, are getting seriously ill with it and are dying of it is well known and has been repeatedly commented on here, in the wider media and by governments. The vaccines were never advertised as offering 100% protection, either.

So this isn’t a both sides issue, it’s one lot of people serially making things up that aren’t supported by much or, in your case, any evidence. When that is pointed out, obfuscation and more misleading statements follow. If you want your argument treated with respect, perhaps you could start by not treating the rest of us as mugs.

Seems to me that the only argument you want to hear is your own repeated back to you. Such is your inability to listen to anyone else.

Given you want to go to such an extent to disagree that the vaccine works as intended, there really isn't much else to say on the matter.

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[tsubaki]

Seems to me that the only argument you want to hear is your own repeated back to you. Such is your inability to listen to anyone else.

Given you want to go to such an extent to disagree that the vaccine works as intended, there really isn't much else to say on the matter.

Sorry, what? You are the one who claims it works 100% of the time. It doesn't and the facts, the statements of the vaccine makers and the governments have all said it doesn't.

Yet you keep on!

 

[RAFUH]

 

[LinekersLegs]

Part of this thread says a large amount of people didn't know they had COVID and are being treated for other reasons. Surely by now there's a way to separate them in the data?

It certainly would be very helpful, especially in these early stages!

Think the difficulty arises because saying we have x number of people in the hospital who tested +ve is a pretty simple data exercise as you just get someone in admin to count the tests and publish that. However breakdown of “with Covid” vs “because Covid” requires more medical expertise and those who directly interact with that patient to parse and in most places frontline staff are already struggling with medical workload before getting them to do additional data categorization of patients.

You’d hope that systems could be put in place that minimized it (a checkbox on the chart write-ups?) that someone else could collate but having had some personal experience trying to get accurate data collection in far less important/stressful situations I can sympathize with some of the challenges.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Viruses don’t *make themselves* anything. That’s not how evolution works. It’s randomness.

The original strain infected or killed everyone it would. There were likely a number of random mutations and the one that survived was the one that was less likely to kill its host. The virus that becomes most prevalent will always be the one that’s less deadly because viruses rely on hosts to survive.

But that doesn’t mean deadly variants can’t happen. Or that they can’t be incredibly dangerous, especially given how the world works now. It’s likely that a less deadly strain will persist. But left to their own devices, then there are plenty of opportunities for variants to infect, hospitalise and kill alot of people. They can travel alot more efficiently now than 100 years ago.

So probably best to be cautious in the meantime, no?

Tbh given that Covid pays no current penalty for killing its host there is no evolutionary pressure for changes to its lethality.


Fortunately there may be some evolutionary pressure to become less virulent via this


Hopefully this is the case with omicron but as you say we need more data to determine that.

 

[Walken]

Seems to me that the only argument you want to hear is your own repeated back to you. Such is your inability to listen to anyone else.

Given you want to go to such an extent to disagree that the vaccine works as intended, there really isn't much else to say on the matter.

He hasn't said that

 

[tsubaki]

It certainly would be very helpful, especially in these early stages!

Think the difficulty arises because saying we have x number of people in the hospital who tested +ve is a pretty simple data exercise as you just get someone in admin to count the tests and publish that. However breakdown of “with Covid” vs “because Covid” requires more medical expertise and those who directly interact with that patient to parse and in most places frontline staff are already struggling with medical workload before getting them to do additional data categorization of patients.

You’d hope that systems could be put in place that minimized it (a checkbox on the chart write-ups?) that someone else could collate but having had some personal experience trying to get accurate data collection in far less important/stressful situations I can sympathize with some of the challenges.

For deaths though there is more detail available via the death certificates (where COVID is mentioned on the certificate has been tracking above the +ve within 28 days test).

 

[LinekersLegs]

Covid antiviral pill molnupiravir/Lagevrio set for UK at-home trials

People most vulnerable to Omicron would reportedly be offered experimental pill within 48 hours of testing positive

t.co

The first at-home treatment for Covid-19 could reportedly be offered to UK patients before Christmas as an attempt to protect the most vulnerable from the Omicron variant.The Sunday Telegraph reported that Sajid Javid is set to launch a national pilot of the Molnupiravir antiviral pill, marketed as Lagevrio.

The newspaper said that under the plans, the NHS was expected to deliver courses of the tablet to clinically vulnerable and immunosuppressed patients within as little as 48 hours of them testing positive for Covid. It said hospitals and GPs had been told a series of Covid medicines delivery units were being established to ensure the treatment gets to patients as quickly as possible once it is confirmed they have the virus.