Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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LOL yeah its hilarious isn't it? 700+ people dead in a week, thousands more gasping for breath on ventilators in hospitals. Most hilariously of all not all of them are very elderly people.

In fact, lets stuff even more people in hospitals because of "the economy", even though if we did that the cost to everyone - personal, economic - would almost certainly be far worse.
And the hundreds of thousands of other deaths due to covid restrictions? At least they didn't die of covid so it doesn't matter right, 10,000 extra dementia patients died over the course of a month last year. Lock it down nobody cares about people with dementia right? #onlycoviddeathsmatter
 
Again, the fact this virus exists and poses the risk that it does means that we have to deal with it - so yes, when the variants keep coming we will keep having to do something about them. I know its difficult for people, it was difficult for people in wartime too but burying your head in the sand is useless.



The Nightingale hospitals didn't have the staff to run them, that is why they weren't used. As for mental health, what I said is backed up by the BMA and numerous other sources; why do you think those restrictions were brought in anyway?
They also weren't needed in the end...
 
The WHO (not the band) have announced that there has been not one death linked to Omicron? Why all the panic then in this country?
Cause there is money to be made.
I still stand by my gut feeling. Set a little panic, this them could give the bank of England second thoughts about putting up rates. Inflation goes up. Great news for the coffers as more vat comes rolling in.
Goes towards big Boris's plan of high price, high skill high wage nonsense he wants. Gets him their quicker. Well apart from the high wage bit. Can't be having non of that money going to the peasents.
 
The first sentence is an important qualifier, and since the outbreak started in younger patients that will skew results, but encouraging initial data
It is essential to recognize that the patient information presented here only represents the first two weeks of the Omicron wave in Tshwane. The clinical profile of admitted patients could change significantly over the next two weeks, by which time we can draw conclusions about the severity of disease with greater precision.

Though the NICD has confirmed that almost all cases of SARS-C0V-2 in Tshwane are due to the new variant, we have not been able to establish that in every instance the variant is Omicron as the PCR machine in use at the SBAH laboratory does not screen for the S-gene. A reasonable assumption is being made that the cases described here represent infection with the new variant.

The main observation that we have made over the last two weeks is that the majority of patients in the COVID wards have not been oxygen dependent. SARS-CoV-2 has been an incidental finding in patients that were admitted to the hospital for another medical, surgical or obstetric reason.

A snapshot of 42 patients in the ward on 2 December 2021 reveals that 29 (70%) are not oxygen dependent. These patients are saturating well on room air and do not present with any respiratory symptoms. These are the patients that we would call ‘incidental COVID admissions’, having had another medical or surgical reason for admission. Thirteen (13) patients are dependent on supplemental oxygen of which nine (21%) have a diagnosis of COVID-19 pneumonia based on a combination of symptoms, clinical signs, CXR and inflammatory markers. All are being prescribed steroids as the mainstay of therapy. The remaining 4 patients are on oxygen for other medical reasons (2 previously on home oxygen, 1 in heart failure and 1 with a confirmed diagnosis of Pneumocystis Pneumonia).
This is a picture that has not been seen in previous waves. In the beginning of all three previous waves and throughout the course of these waves, there has always only been a sprinkling of patients on room air in the COVID ward and these patients have usually been in the recovery phase waiting for the resolution of a co-morbidity prior to discharge. The COVID ward was recognizable by the majority of patients being on some form of oxygen supplementation with the incessant sound of high flow nasal oxygen machines, or beeping ventilator alarms.

There are only 4 patients in high care and one in the ICU. The numbers of patients in high care on double oxygen, High Flow Nasal Oxygen or non-invasive ventilation (NIV) were noticeably higher in previous waves. This is anecdotal but confirmed by numerous clinicians who have previously worked in the COVID wards in the hospital complex.

Of 38 adults in the COVID wards on 2 December 2021, 6 were vaccinated, 24 were unvaccinated and 8 had unknown vaccination status. Of 9 patients with COVID pneumonia 8 are unvaccinated, 1 is a child. Only a single patient on oxygen was fully vaccinated but the reason for the oxygen was Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease.

An analysis of 166 patients admitted to the SBAH/TDH Complex in the period 14 -29 November 2021, revealed that the age profile differed markedly from the previous 18 months. In the last two weeks, no fewer than 80% of admissions were below the age of 50 years. This is in keeping with the age profile of admissions in all public and private hospitals in Tshwane and throughout the Gauteng Province in the last two weeks as reported by the NICD and the Gauteng Provincial Government. Nineteen (19) percent were children aged 0-9 years and the highest number of admissions was in the age group 30-39 years, making up 28 percent of the total.
 
What level of hospitalisations and deaths are you prepared to accept, then?

Well we are currently at 0 serious hospitalisations and deaths for vaccinated people and they make the majority of the population so.......

I would say that's good enough for normality tbh, only people getting seriously ill refusing the thing that would stop them being so.
 
Well we are currently at 0 serious hospitalisations and deaths for vaccinated people and they make the majority of the population so.......

I would say that's good enough for normality tbh, only people getting seriously ill refusing the thing that would stop them being so.
Yea but.. but.. case numbers have you not gotten the news that case numbers are now the most important metric when looking at the situation.. although if hospital numbers rise sharply then the most important metric can be changed back..
 
Cause there is money to be made.
I still stand by my gut feeling. Set a little panic, this them could give the bank of England second thoughts about putting up rates. Inflation goes up. Great news for the coffers as more vat comes rolling in.
Goes towards big Boris's plan of high price, high skill high wage nonsense he wants. Gets him their quicker. Well apart from the high wage bit. Can't be having non of that money going to the peasents.

I know it gets put down as a conspiracy theory or 'so the world is conspiring together' style of talk.

But given we live in a world where giant corporations will literally kill babies to sell baby milk powder, sell tap water to us as bottled water and giant fashion designers kitted out the enemy during the war.

Not everything is innocent when it comes to the pandemic. People will lobby for war if they can make money from it. As much as me or you can't pick apart the past 18 months and know examples , because it's not something we would be made aware of. There is still probably things that people repeat as fact that are probably just influenced decision making for reasons not entirely for everyone's best interest.

I'm not saying it is , but would you really put it past a pharmaceutical company to come out with a new vaccine that will absolutely protect the world, just to sell billions of them? Even if the original one is fine? Yet people would just assume that us being told to get it is a necessity in the pandemic. End result is big pharma make millions more in profit.
 
Yea but.. but.. case numbers have you not gotten the news that case numbers are now the most important metric when looking at the situation.. although if hospital numbers rise sharply then the most important metric can be changed back..
It does amaze me that so many people haven't realised that a case means nothing. The media are heavy on the number of 'cases' of the new variant without actually following through properly with what it actually means.

What is the difference between covid and any other coronavirus if it only offers mild sickness? Which if the new variant does just that, why wouldn't we want that?

Nobody cares about the flu despite the fact it can kill people who can't be vaccinated. We are pretty much at that point with covid , except the number is inflated due to how many idiots think they know better than the entire world.
 
Well we are currently at 0 serious hospitalisations and deaths for vaccinated people and they make the majority of the population so.......

I would say that's good enough for normality tbh, only people getting seriously ill refusing the thing that would stop them being so.

Oh great, another authoritative-sounding claim that turns out to be completely wrong. By the end of September there were just under 4500 deaths from COVID of double-vaccinated people, which is not zero.
 
And the hundreds of thousands of other deaths due to covid restrictions? At least they didn't die of covid so it doesn't matter right, 10,000 extra dementia patients died over the course of a month last year. Lock it down nobody cares about people with dementia right? #onlycoviddeathsmatter

Again - if there had been no restrictions, what do you think would have happened to those people?

Also lol @ the idea you care about people with dementia either.
 
Oh great, another authoritative-sounding claim that turns out to be completely wrong. By the end of September there were just under 4500 deaths from COVID of double-vaccinated people, which is not zero.
From covid or with covid??? A missive difference that isn't talked about.. I wonder how many people would die of the common cold if deaths were counted as covid is..
 
From covid or with covid??? A missive difference that isn't talked about.. I wonder how many people would die of the common cold if deaths were counted as covid is..

"Isn't talked about"? The ostriches amongst us have been raising that particular point ever since the start of the pandemic, irrespective of how often it is explained to them.
 
Again - if there had been no restrictions, what do you think would have happened to those people?

Also lol @ the idea you care about people with dementia either.
My granny has dementia... she's in a nursing home outside Birmingham,
If you go back over my comments over the past day or so I think you'll find that I have put forward my solution, a targeted intelligently designed lockdown for vunerable people, intermittently locking down the general population is not a viable long term strategy and you know that..
 
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